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Msg ID: 2586908 Aircraft Wash +0/-0     
8/9/2019 6:23:08 PM

What is your policy for washing the helicopter. Is it on a particular day or after so many hours flown? What sector of the industry are you in?

Msg ID: 2586910 Aircraft Wash +2/-0     
8/9/2019 6:35:06 PM

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days that end in Y.


Any day we finish before 5pm powerline.

Msg ID: 2586915 Aircraft Wash +0/-0     
8/9/2019 7:11:28 PM

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once a week or whenever it's dirty.



Msg ID: 2586919 washing... +0/-0     
8/9/2019 7:34:26 PM

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the engine compressor or exterior of the aircraft? if in gom need to wash exterior daily and compressor weekly or 50hrs depending company. ems same except exterior when pilot decides to do it.

Msg ID: 2586923 washing... +4/-0     
8/9/2019 7:51:25 PM

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GOM weekly compressor wash? Sounds weak...

Msg ID: 2586990 fyi... +1/-0     
Author:the compressor...
8/10/2019 9:34:28 AM

Reply to: 2586923
wash is weekly or 50hrs. the compressor rinse is daily.

Msg ID: 2586947 Sweet? Where at? I hate daily engines (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Rinse. I'm in.
8/9/2019 9:28:56 PM

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Msg ID: 2586991 washing... +0/-0     
Author:Circus Monkey
8/10/2019 9:58:27 AM

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GOM you don't do water rinse on Compressor daily?? RRC250 OEM CMM states in salt air atmosphere to do that. Ex GOM, Corp. now 

Msg ID: 2587076 as stated... +1/-0     
Author:there is a...
8/10/2019 8:34:48 PM

Reply to: 2586991
difference between compressor wash and rinse in mx manual. but in case you dont follow: wash uses soap: rinse uses only water. hence the book tells you to wash weekly or 50 hrs followed by a rinse which is c/w'd daily. been that way for decades.

Msg ID: 2586933 Aircraft Wash +0/-2     
Author:Number of hours
8/9/2019 8:52:06 PM

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or if its dirty.

Some FSDOs consider it preventive maintenance to be done by licensed personnel.

Msg ID: 2586934 Mech gives it a wipe down w/the daily +0/-0     
8/9/2019 8:52:42 PM

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Rarely do we get it dirty enough to warrant a full blown washing.

Msg ID: 2586943 Is it dirty? If yes, then wash it! (NT) +0/-1     
Author:We keep a bucket of rotor wash on hand
8/9/2019 9:22:05 PM

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Msg ID: 2586971 Is it dirty? If yes, then wash it! +0/-0     
Author:Burr N. Oulie
8/10/2019 12:52:55 AM

Reply to: 2586943

Right by that spool of flightline.

And next to that pallet of pogie bait.


Msg ID: 2587009 Is it dirty? If yes, then wash it! +3/-1     
8/10/2019 12:34:34 PM

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Someone has a problem with the concept of "if dirty, then wash"?!

You must be a millenial. Please do not apply here until that idea becomes clear to you. If you need some remedial aircraft washing training, please contact your nearest FBO. 

When the aircraft is dirty, we wash it.

Msg ID: 2586978 Maintenance action. (NT) +0/-0     
8/10/2019 8:39:40 AM

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Msg ID: 2587005 Where in FAR 27 or 27 makes it a maintenance task? (NT) +0/-0     
8/10/2019 12:04:45 PM

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Msg ID: 2587065 Where in FAR 27 or 27 makes it a maintenance task? +1/-0     
8/10/2019 7:57:22 PM

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does it not make it a maintenance task?

Msg ID: 2587089 How about the windows, pt 27 also? (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Habitual violator
8/10/2019 10:51:14 PM

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Msg ID: 2587134 In FAR 43! It if ain't in that FAR, it ain't Maintenance +1/-0     
Author:or Preventative Maintenance.
8/11/2019 10:06:35 AM

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And, it ain't in there!


Washing aircraft is not a maintenance task.   If it were, those 15 year old line boys at the FBO would all be in violation of FARs (for performing maintenance on an aircraft without an FAA Airframe Mechanic certificate/license).

Msg ID: 2587194 In FAR 43! It if ain't in that FAR, it ain't Maintenance +1/-0     
Author:Washing aircraft...
8/11/2019 4:12:40 PM

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would you say that activity is maintaining an aircraft or operating an aircraft? Be honest.

Msg ID: 2587196 When was washing an aircraft part of ANY practical (NT) +1/-0     
Author:test for an A&P? Be honest!
8/11/2019 4:40:50 PM

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Msg ID: 2587213 When was washing an aircraft part of ANY practical +0/-0     
Author:About what I expected
8/11/2019 6:50:33 PM

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Deflection and a non-answer. I rest my case.

Msg ID: 2587224 I didn't deflect the question, I RETURNED the (NT) +0/-0     
Author:serve with a smoker!
8/11/2019 7:54:35 PM

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Msg ID: 2587226 btw, the answer to the trick question was: Neither +0/-0     
Author:it's neither maintenance nor operating
8/11/2019 7:59:27 PM

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it's simply washing it.   If it's maintenance, then you'll need to write it up, take the aircraft out of service, perform the maintenance, then get a release for going back in service after doing all the required maintenance write-ups.


Msg ID: 2587900 btw, the answer to the trick question was: Neither +0/-0     
Author:The lady doth protest too much, methinks
8/16/2019 11:06:17 AM

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How about a little intellectual honesty rather than just being deliberately obtuse? That just feeds into existing unflattering stereotypes. This conversation isn't about who happens to be stuck with that task. That's simply the result of office politics and better representation from your side. We both know that nothing's going to change the current state of affairs. You can be honest.

So, is washing an aircraft about maintaining an aircraft or operating an aircraft? Those are the only two choices available, unless you want to suggest that it might be included in providing patient care. (which could be just as logical, I suppose)

Don't be scared to say it out loud if you really believe it, though. Go ahead and say "Cleaning the exterior of a helicopter with soap and a brush is the definition of operating a helicopter."

Msg ID: 2587266 When you take a shower...... +0/-0     
8/12/2019 8:00:21 AM

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....would you say you are performing maintenance  or just operating yourself?  Be honest.

Msg ID: 2587389 In FAR 43! It if ain't in that FAR, it ain't Maintenance +0/-0     
Author:it is
8/13/2019 8:57:46 AM

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If it is in the AAIP. A certain large HAA company has a 7 day wash in the AAIP for AS350 near saltwater environment. Must be signed off by an A&P.

Msg ID: 2587436 Engine wash? (NT) +0/-0     
8/13/2019 12:53:00 PM

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Msg ID: 2588483 In FAR 43! It if ain't in that FAR, it ain't Maintenance +0/-0     
Author:Not necessarily.
8/19/2019 8:36:49 PM

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It's just one of those things no one wants to deal with.  

Bend a pitot or AOA indicator and not tell anyone and see what happens if there is an incident or accident.

Comes down to what happens when one winds up in court.  

I know, way over the top, but that is exactly where it can wind up.

Msg ID: 2587104 Where in FAR 27 or 27 makes it a maintenance task? +4/-0     
8/11/2019 3:32:15 AM

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To most a&p mechanics that actually care about the aircraft, have a good work ethic, and take pride in their work, washing is preventative maintenance. There doesn’t need to be a FAR to say it, but for those that need guidance—washing, waxing & polishing are preventive maintenance items listed under FAR part 43, appendix A, section C, paragraphs 9 & 10, and also under FAR 1.1

Cleaning the aircraft is also in the maintenance manual. 

Personally it doesn’t bother me. If someone pays me 100k a year to wash a helicopter, I’ll smile doing it as an expensive expensive helicopter washer. 

Msg ID: 2587135 Same is true about pilots! and, Preventative Maintence +0/-0     
Author:can be performed by pilots!
8/11/2019 10:20:20 AM

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And, these two items you cited are not washing or waxing tasks:


(9) Refinishing decorative coating of fuselage, balloon baskets, wings tail group surfaces (excluding balanced control surfaces), fairings, cowlings, landing gear, cabin, or cockpit interior when removal or disassembly of any primary structure or operating system is not required.

(10) Applying preservative or protective material to components where no disassembly of any primary structure or operating system is involved and where such coating is not prohibited or is not contrary to good practices.


And, even if they were, a PILOT can do it, particularly when his job description lists doing it

Msg ID: 2587070 Maintenance action. +0/-0     
Author:Not necessarily.
8/10/2019 8:28:57 PM

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Part 91, don't worry about it.

Part 135 get it approved.

Msg ID: 2587136 Not a "maintenance action" for Part 135 either! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:No approval necessary.
8/11/2019 10:21:30 AM

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Msg ID: 2587964 Not a "maintenance action" for Part 135 either! +0/-0     
Author:Probably right.
8/16/2019 2:24:27 PM

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But, all ya gotta do is bend or break something that doesn't get noticed immediately which leads to something legally actionable and you'll be wishing it had been bettered defined.

I know, I know, how ya gonna prove it, etc.  Trust me, it'll be a subject under certain scenarios.

Msg ID: 2586981 Aircraft Wash (NT) +0/-0     
Author:When it is dirty.
8/10/2019 8:44:51 AM

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Msg ID: 2587251 Aircraft Wash +0/-0     
8/11/2019 11:56:08 PM

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Pt 91 operatoin.  No set schedule for us.  Keeping the aircraft washed and clean is the responsibility of our maintenance section.  They wipe down big stuff daily and then when it needs it, they schedule a professional aircraft detailing company to come in and wash/wax it.

Pilots are responsible to keep the inside of the aircraft free of trash and anything more is handled/cooridnated by maintenance.  Works well for us.

Msg ID: 2587263 Is the "professional aircraft detailing company" an +0/-0     
Author:FAA certified outfit? (since it maint)
8/12/2019 7:35:24 AM

Reply to: 2587251

If (according to some here) it's a maintenance task, then the professionals you call will need to be an FAA certified shop with licensed Airframe mechanics hired to wash and detail aircraft.

Msg ID: 2587564 Not really +0/-0     
Author:Anyone can do it
8/14/2019 3:11:18 AM

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person working under the supervision of a holder of a mechanic or repairman certificate may perform the  maintenance,  preventive maintenance, and alterations that his supervisor is authorized to perform, if the supervisor personally observes the work being done to the extent necessary to ensure that it is being done properly

Msg ID: 2587824 Oh, so a pilot can wash the aircraft afterall (NT) +0/-0     
Author:under the supervision of the mechanic
8/15/2019 9:06:10 PM

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Msg ID: 2588217 So who can grease a Hiller? +0/-0     
8/18/2019 1:37:34 PM

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I even checked oil of both engine and transmission, added oil at will.  I actually removed and re-installed the Main rotor blades to trailer it or make it flyable.  Spray boom too.  Please tell me I did not do that, and I do not have a A&P either.  Seems like I had some training for it.