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Msg ID: 2586352 HAA Working 84 hour hitch +0/-2     
Author:Over 40 hours in a week
8/6/2019 9:18:45 PM

What States require employers to pay overtime on hours worked over 40 in a workweek. How does this affect the 84 hour hitch that most HAA pilots work.

Do States look the other way if pilots agree to work 84 hours (7 x 12 shifts) in a row so as to get 7 days off.

What happens if a company has not been paying OT in a State where OT should have been paid over 40 hours. Can the employee claim back pay? If so how would they go about getting paid without having a target on thier back?



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Msg ID: 2586361 HAA Working 84 hour hitch +0/-0     
Author:Railroad Act
8/6/2019 9:46:11 PM

Reply to: 2586352

CBA

And other realities.

You need to talk to a labor attorney.



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Msg ID: 2586381 You are an exempted employee and any +2/-0     
Author:HAA operator who settles otherwise
8/6/2019 10:08:13 PM

Reply to: 2586352

does so only because the want to, not because anybody Toledo them the had to.  RLA preemptions exist over state and local laws.   Employees have right to organize if the don’t like terms of employment



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Msg ID: 2586386 You are an exempted employee and any +0/-0     
Author:State by State
8/6/2019 10:25:06 PM

Reply to: 2586381

https://www.exaktime.com/blog/overtime-laws-by-state/

 



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Msg ID: 2586390 Not applicable working for an HAA operator (NT) +0/-0     
Author:with air carrier certificate
8/6/2019 10:46:42 PM

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Msg ID: 2586394 HAA Working 84 hour hitch +0/-0     
Author:Used to be a trucker
8/6/2019 10:59:57 PM

Reply to: 2586352

It's because aviation is technically under the DOT which has different regulations about OT hours and pay which supersedes state laws.



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Msg ID: 2586400 HAA Working 84 hour hitch +0/-0     
Author:Havoc
8/6/2019 11:15:54 PM

Reply to: 2586394

Can’t remember the exact year prior to 06.  California AMC pilots wanted over time  past 40 hrs

Management made an 8 hour schedule.  The pilots gave up the requests



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Msg ID: 2586412 HAA Working 84 hour hitch +0/-0     
Author:EMSer
8/7/2019 1:16:13 AM

Reply to: 2586400

California requires;

time and a half for over 8 hours. Time and a half beyon 40 hrs. 



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Msg ID: 2586423 So, you accept a yearly salary based on 182.5 days +3/-0     
Author:Then you want to play the numbers?
8/7/2019 8:00:32 AM

Reply to: 2586412

As Clint said, "Go ahead, make my day".

With todays computers, we can adjust your hourly rate to compensate and the end result will be the same cost to us.



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Msg ID: 2586440 California law is preempted by RLA. Air Carriers (NT) +0/-0     
Author:are under RLA, not State of California!
8/7/2019 9:37:42 AM

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Msg ID: 2586438 Truckers and Aviators are both under DOT! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:FAA is administration of department
8/7/2019 9:35:38 AM

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Msg ID: 2586436 HAA Working 84 hour hitch +1/-0     
Author:Sleeping on duty
8/7/2019 9:32:56 AM

Reply to: 2586352
Be careful where you go with this. Some of us like our cushy jobs making $100k+/sleeping 42 of those regular 84 hour pay periods.

BTW, my OT rate is $1.25/min.

Calc that one my friend.


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Msg ID: 2586437 HAA Working 84 hour hitch +0/-0     
Author:TSCF
8/7/2019 9:34:37 AM

Reply to: 2586352

https://casetext.com/case/payne-v-tri-state-careflight-llc-3



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Msg ID: 2586448 A motion to oppose a motion to intervene was granted. +0/-0     
Author:Wow! What a victory!
8/7/2019 9:53:32 AM

Reply to: 2586437

IT IS ORDERED that: (i) the requests in the Opposed Fed. R. Civ. P. 24(B) Motion and Supporting Memorandum to Intervene as Parties Plaintiff and Class Representatives, filed Nov. 29, 2016 (Doc. 151), are granted; (ii) and the requests in the Opposed Fed. R. Civ. P. 24(B) Supplemental Motion and Supporting Memorandum to Intervene as Parties Plaintiffs and Class Representatives, filed June 27, 2017 (Doc. 166), are granted.



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Msg ID: 2586470 Waste of time +5/-0     
Author:HAA
8/7/2019 11:05:13 AM

Reply to: 2586448

These HAA guys only think they are working half a year even when working a normal 40 hour work week you work 2080 hous  a year and they are working 2184 hours a year, so thats 184 hours more. They may sleep part of it but they are still at work.



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Msg ID: 2586496 Fly maybe 150 of that 2184. (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Works for me.
8/7/2019 12:43:58 PM

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Msg ID: 2586953 Fly maybe 150 of that 2184. +0/-0     
Author:When your
8/9/2019 9:37:56 PM

Reply to: 2586496

skills start eroding you'll start to think again; and yes, they will erode.  



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Msg ID: 2586501 Waste of time +0/-0     
Author:E. L. Umination
8/7/2019 1:06:08 PM

Reply to: 2586470

That's based on 12 hour shifts, which with turnover time is more like 12.5

Not only that but, if you fly till your 14th hour, you might not be free from all work restraint for another 15 to 45 minutes.

And, theoretically, every day can be a 14 hour or more duty day.



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Msg ID: 2586515 theoretically, so could any day! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
8/7/2019 2:05:10 PM

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Msg ID: 2586522 Waste of time +0/-0     
Author:Yeup,
8/7/2019 2:30:04 PM

Reply to: 2586470

still encumbered by an employer on their behalf.

Is what it is.



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Msg ID: 2586553 Waste of time +0/-0     
Author:Do you mean to tell me...
8/7/2019 6:30:41 PM

Reply to: 2586470

if I’m sacked out at work, I’m still at work? Crazy. A forty hour a week worker does 2080. Find a calculator.



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Msg ID: 2586592 Waste of time +0/-0     
Author:HAA
8/7/2019 9:49:06 PM

Reply to: 2586553
I guess you can't read it says 2080.Maybe you were reading in your sleep.


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Msg ID: 2586585 HAA Pilot= Auto Target on back +0/-1     
Author:SMH
8/7/2019 8:35:56 PM

Reply to: 2586352

Geez, HAA pilots do nothing but whine. When you run out of things to whine about, you cycle back through buried topics and re-whine all over again. This must be your first hitch on an 84. If you don't like it, there's always the alternative... RTP. Then you can whine about only getting paid once the door is shut. 

My condolences to your med crews. 



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Msg ID: 2587143 HAA Working 84 hour hitch +0/-0     
Author:Bean counter
8/11/2019 10:58:17 AM

Reply to: 2586352

That’s not the right math. Really your 12 hour shift includes 30 minute lunch unpaid period so payroll sees your 12 hour shift as 11.5 hours. (Not saying that’s fair since it’s not like you can go get a pizza or take a walk or leave your desk like a regular office worker at some 30 minute part of your day...just saying how it’s calculated by law requiring you to get a lunch break over x hours worked). 7 x 11.5 = 80.5. Where I work, payroll does 6 x 11.5 and then the last shift of your 7 is only on the books as 11 paid hours. Basically yes they short us 30 minutes the last day, an hour a month we are losing or working for free technically. Again just explaining the math, not saying it’s right. But considering you likely sleep (or sit home playing video games on call as a wrench monkey) for at least 30 minutes in a week and get paid for it, be careful how much complaining you do.



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Msg ID: 2587269 lunch breaks are unpaid. You might get 30 minutes (NT) +0/-0     
Author:but you aren't getting paid for it
8/12/2019 8:03:11 AM

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Msg ID: 2588631 biggest whiners? +0/-0     
Author:meh?
8/20/2019 5:06:48 PM

Reply to: 2587269

funny, i see more non HAA people whining and crying about HAA in the past 5 years more than anyone else... i just wonder why, who butt hurt you? show us all on the doll where the mean HAA industry hurt you so we all can know! man, you guys cry more than my 2 year old.  if you don't like HAA stfu and move along funny times



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