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Msg ID: 2586004 RTP? Some inside reality: +1/-2     
8/5/2019 10:21:16 AM

Msg ID: 2586015 How many times are you going to post this? +5/-1     
Author:They didn't accept you,...
8/5/2019 10:55:35 AM

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Msg ID: 2586016 came back to rotor after living it.  +1/-0     
Author:Do this math:
8/5/2019 10:58:29 AM

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$40/hr times a 6 hr credited flight time day, working 12 hrs/hr....   equals  $20/hr

Msg ID: 2586019 came back to rotor after living it. (NT) +0/-0     
Author:boo hoo
8/5/2019 11:08:44 AM

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Msg ID: 2586035 came back to rotor after living it.  +1/-0     
Author:Itís ok
8/5/2019 11:46:51 AM

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we know your brain can’t cant Handle the complexity of math involved once those pilots start making over 100k a year with a sweet line held and plenty of time off . All will retire better than the helicrapter industry can provide . You’ll be in a trailer in Houma or mouton cove , or a pathetic HEMS base at 70 when the other guy will be in his beach condo collecting retirement . 

Msg ID: 2586041 10 years from now (NT) +0/-0     
8/5/2019 12:11:11 PM

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Msg ID: 2586051 came back to rotor after living it.  +2/-0     
8/5/2019 12:31:12 PM

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stop using first year math as your benchmark for pay.  You do realize that there are pay raises every year, right?

Here is Republic as an example...

YR 1 - FO - $45*75*12= 40,500+10,000 bonus = 50,500**

YR 2 - FO - $51*75*12= 45,900+5,000 bonus = 50,900**

YR 3 - CA - $88*75*12= 79200+2,500 bonus = 81,700**

** these numbers assume pay at the minimum guarantee only.  Most pilots I know are at 80+ hours a month.  The pay above does not include perdiem which is around 10k.

This is regional pay at Republic.  I used them as an example since they have a lot of domicile bases.  Their bonus structure is on the low side.  The pay at the majors gets really good, really quickly.  


Msg ID: 2586086 First, you won't make captain in 3 years  +2/-0     
8/5/2019 2:40:36 PM

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second, you need to factor in the loss of income you'll have compared to current for those years (step over a dollar to pick up a penny)

third, the bonus doesn't continue (read the fine print)

fourth, junior manning (say goodbye to any QOL)

fifth, 10 years before you break even

sixth, 10 years and you'll be over it (it's a job by then, not really fun anymore)


Msg ID: 2586169 First, you won't make captain in 3 years  +1/-0     
8/5/2019 9:58:31 PM

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First, if you don’t make CA in three years you either chose the wrong regional or failed your upgrade.  There are a few regionals hiring Captains off the street that meet 121 mins.  A few more are upgrading FOs as soon as they have the 1000 hour part 121.  That is well under 3 years.  

You are right to consider the lost income over time and estimate how long to break even.  This isn’t a sprint, it is a marathon and doing good math ahead will help folks make a better decision.

you are not junior forever, and again, QOL is more dependent on living in domicile than on where exactly one falls on the seniority list.  I cannot emphasize this enough... live in base.  

10 years??  Not even close.  It took me 3 to break even. YMMV

Msg ID: 2586209 you are junior if there is a shortage and the airline (NT) +0/-0     
Author:needs you to cover open time
8/6/2019 9:16:50 AM

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Msg ID: 2586043 RTP? Some inside reality: +2/-0     
8/5/2019 12:14:20 PM

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While there is some truth to his ramblings, the point of flying at the regionals isn’t to stay in the regionals.  No baseball player strives to play AAA ball.  They do so with the hope of making the majors.  This young man took his eye off the ball, and sounded like a typical millennial in the process.

If you take a serious look at the process today, he is right about the pay.  The first year is decent with signing bonus.  The second year is going to be less if you don’t upgrade to CA in that year.  If you are not a CA in your 3rd year, you chose the wrong regional to get started.  

For some reason he couldnt figure out how to pack his own healthy snacks/meals.  You have to plan ahead and pack some eats In your go bag. Dont plan to eat all your meals at Sbux.  That is stupid.   

Figure 5-7 years to get to a major, if that long.  The kid in the video tossing out numbers like 15-20 years is just justifying his choice to be a CFI again.  Speaking of that, does anyone know of a CFI making 100k consistently?  Me either.

perhaps the hassle of commuting and the reality of airline flying wasn’t for him.  It isn’t for everyone.  Commuting sucks and will absolutely drain the life out of you.   Perhaps he got didnt get hired at a major when he expected to.  who really knows?  

The bottom line for is that it was worth it for me to leave the RW world.  I made over 120k working 7/7 in GoM and couldn’t see myself doing that for 20 more years.  For me the pay and QOL are much better at the Airlines.  I live in base, and bid for trips that have overnights back at my home airport.  on a 4 day trip I only spend 2 nights in a hotel when I get an overnight at home.  you can figure out the pay on your own from the scales posted on airline pilot central.

if you have any desire, plan to attend the RTAG get-together at Rucker in OCT.  There will be many airlines and pilots in attendance can give you their perspective on the regional and major life.


safe flying


Msg ID: 2586044 Like he said, that was a typical day in the life of (NT) +0/-0     
Author:a regional pilot & what you can expect
8/5/2019 12:17:35 PM

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Msg ID: 2586052 Like he said, that was a typical day in the life of +3/-0     
8/5/2019 12:33:03 PM

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A typical day if you commute to work, don’t plan ahead, and expect everything to be handed to you on your time line.  True.

Msg ID: 2586093 Like he said, that was a typical day in the life of +1/-0     
8/5/2019 3:21:56 PM

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‘My quality of life isn’t great.  This happened because my decision making was poor.  Therefore airlines are bad’


it just isn’t a compelling argument 

Msg ID: 2586077 why is the Army allowing airline recruitment (NT) +0/-0     
Author:On their Base/Post?
8/5/2019 2:08:28 PM

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Msg ID: 2586080 why is the Army allowing airline recruitment  +1/-0     
Author:They canít fight it .
8/5/2019 2:18:55 PM

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The Army’s only hope is to work with the airlines to make the army attractive to young applicants to join and fly and punch a ticket to the airlines. The army is bleeding pilots faster than they can train them . Not to mention new recruits don’t get a pension anymore doing 20yrs, who would do 20 with no reward ? 

Msg ID: 2586136 20 year pension no more? I didn't know (NT) +0/-0     
Author:That. Wow.
8/5/2019 6:18:42 PM

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Msg ID: 2586158 20 Years +0/-0     
8/5/2019 8:27:01 PM

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You get a pension and almost free medical insurance for life after doing 20 years. You just don’t get 50 percent like before. It’s more like 40 but with matching 401k money and bonuses. 

Msg ID: 2586089 RTP? Some inside reality: +0/-0     
8/5/2019 2:45:13 PM

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Bullshart... there are lots of senior captains that stay in the regionals.   The pay is fine, but the QOL is better (re home every night).sdf

Msg ID: 2586177 RTP? Some inside (NT) +0/-0     
Author:What hotel in October??
8/5/2019 11:13:16 PM

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Msg ID: 2586047 RTP? Some inside reality: +0/-0     
Author:Village Idiot
8/5/2019 12:22:59 PM

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His resignation was a tremendous blow to the industry....

The video did not make it clear that this company does not f***k around.  If you bend the rules, you're fired, if you lie, you're fired, if you're unprofessional you're fired, infact you'll need to walk the fine line just to keep your job.  Which is easier for some than others.

If in doubt I would recommend that you stay put in that trailer while your brains leak out your lugholes.  

Msg ID: 2586267 RTP? Some inside reality: +0/-0     
Author:Rye T. Twopryvicy
8/6/2019 12:58:13 PM

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(CNN) — Hong Kong airline Cathay Pacific has revealed it is recording passenger activity on its aircraft via inflight entertainment systems and video cameras, re-opening an uncomfortable debate over surveillance on airplanes.
The carrier, frequently named among the world's best, outlined its information gathering in an updated privacy policy published at the end of July 2019.
Cathay confirmed it is collecting images of passengers while they're on board as well as logging their usage of the in-flight entertainment system (IFE) and how they spend time during the flight.
The airline says the images are not captured from embedded seat-back cameras.
"In line with standard practice and to protect our customers and frontline staff, there are CCTV cameras installed in our airport lounges and onboard aircraft (one camera, positioned near the cockpit door) for security purposes," a spokesperson for Cathay Pacific told CNN Travel
"All images are handled sensitively with strict access controls. There are no CCTV cameras installed in the lavatories."
Earlier in 2018, multiple airlines confirmed that cameras were installed in their entertainment systems, sparking widespread privacy concerns. Airlines including Singapore Airlines, Emirates and American said they had no plans to activate the cameras.
Cathay's spokesperson said similar devices were not installed in its IFEs. "Our inflight entertainment systems do not have any cameras, microphones or sensors to monitor passengers, nor have they in the past."
In its privacy policy, the airline says the data collection is designed to improve the flying experience with additional personalization. The airline also says data could be shared with third-party partners for marketing purposes.
"We will retain your Personal Data for as long as is necessary," reads the policy.

Privacy risk?

While CCTV surveillance is accepted by many as a reassuring security measure, others feel tracking passengers in the confines of an airplane cabin is a step too far. 
Cathay Pacific has an uneven record when it comes to digital privacy. In October 2018, the airline reported a data breach that potentially impacted some nine million passengers.
British Airways also experienced a data breach in 2018 and was fined $230 millionunder the European Union's General Data Protection Regulation rules. 
The privacy policy is likely to raise concerns about passenger surveillance.
Courtesy Cathay Pacific
In its updated privacy policy, Cathay clarifies that while data collected is stored on secure servers, "no data transmission over the Internet, a website, mobile application or via email or other message service can be guaranteed to be secure from intrusion."
Vitaly Kamuk, a cybersecurity expert who Tweeted about the discovery of a camera lens in a Singapore Airlines IFE system, told CNN Travel back in March 2019 that there was a risk that images collected by such a lens could fall into the wrong hands.
"The true risk comes from potential unauthorized access to these devices from powerful malicious attackers. As far as IFE is connected to the Internet, there is a possibility of remote hack and espionage if such devices can be activated in software," he said.
Panasonic Avionics, which supplies some IFE systems for Cathay Pacific, has previously said fears of surveillance and privacy breach are "a bit of an overreaction." The company says seat-back cameras will soon become an accepted part of flying, offering opportunities for seat-to-seat video conferencing, among other usages. 
"I believe it's going to settle down, that the case to be made for positive benefits coming from cameras is stronger than any concern that they could possibly be used for nefarious purposes," said David Bartlett, the company's chief technology officer.

Msg ID: 2586295 RTP? Some inside reality: +0/-0     
Author:Dung Xio Ping
8/6/2019 3:09:41 PM

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It's a Chinese airline....what do you expect?