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Msg ID: 2581573 Brainerd MN accident. +0/-0     
Author:This is not about Nike shoes.
7/9/2019 5:57:00 PM

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20190628X64455&AKey=1&RType=Prelim&IType=FA

 

Lost it attempting a go-around. Same as the one in 2016?



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Msg ID: 2581576 Brainerd MN accident. +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
7/9/2019 6:24:10 PM

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Clear above able to see lights on ground but no horizontal Viz at ground level. May have been to slow for GA using autopilot 



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Msg ID: 2581640 Brainerd MN accident. (NT) +1/-2     
Author:Did you mean 'too'?
7/10/2019 3:46:04 AM

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Msg ID: 2581610 Interesting coincidence +4/-1     
Author:Blown MAs
7/9/2019 9:17:43 PM

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What part of an MA calls for a wildass right turn on this runway? In each case were they actually doing an MA or the very common practice of attempting a right turn to stay in vmc? Not pointing any fingers. Done it myself and used 7 of 9 lives.


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Msg ID: 2581624 Brainerd MN accident. +0/-0     
Author:Interesting
7/9/2019 11:03:08 PM

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It spun to the right and impacted left of the runway. 



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Msg ID: 2581641 Brainerd MN accident. +0/-2     
Author:Okay
7/10/2019 3:47:19 AM

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So where do you want it to end up when it spins?



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Msg ID: 2581673 Brainerd MN accident. +0/-0     
Author:DrWizard
7/10/2019 10:49:53 AM

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Just a few details missing here...especially the 'spin to the right' statement.



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Msg ID: 2581677 Brainerd MN accident. +0/-0     
Author:they'll spin to the right
7/10/2019 11:16:07 AM

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when you realize you're about to hit the ground and you pull the collective to the stop. 

Maybe he thought he could execute the missed without increasing power, the autopilot tried to climb using the pitch attitude?



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Msg ID: 2581700 Brainerd MN accident. +0/-0     
Author:Typically...
7/10/2019 12:55:18 PM

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Auto-Pilot will not couple below Vmini...What is Vmini in an S model 109?

The impact site doesn't indicate the aircraft was moving horizontally at high airspeed.



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Msg ID: 2581708 Brainerd MN accident. +0/-5     
Author:And just because it
7/10/2019 1:34:16 PM

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spins right doesn't mean it's going to fly/drift right. Cuz when spinning, the nose point direction is (wait for this) constantly changing- Duh! It ended up where it ended up. In spite of what the poster above was conjuring up in his mind.



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Msg ID: 2582560 I think that's what a real " oh schite" moment +0/-0     
Author:looks like
7/15/2019 8:44:11 AM

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That "I'm about to die" jerk you get before your face plows in to the dirt thingy.



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Msg ID: 2581707 Brainerd MN accident. (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Shades of Bradford/Smethport 109
7/10/2019 1:30:09 PM

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Msg ID: 2581744 Brainerd MN accident. +0/-0     
Author:maybe?
7/10/2019 7:23:28 PM

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This was my first thought actually. GA button pressed, or attempted MA without increasing collective, or collective increase without associated forward cyclic. Major pitch up, Got too slow, AP kicked off, or just let it torque turn into the ground. 



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Msg ID: 2581730 TOO SLOW, AP KICKED OFF, PILOT DISORIENTED IN WHAT WAS HAPPENING.  +0/-4     
Author:Plowed her in. End of story.
7/10/2019 3:54:44 PM

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Video was show the same.   Their CP did same thing 2 or 3 yrs ago. 



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Msg ID: 2581762 TOO SLOW, AP KICKED OFF, PILOT DISORIENTED IN WHAT WAS HAPPENING.  +0/-2     
Author:Anonymous
7/10/2019 9:46:28 PM

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No wonder they block their tail numbers on flightaware.


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Msg ID: 2582143 TOO SLOW, AP KICKED OFF, PILOT DISORIENTED IN WHAT WAS HAPPENING.  +0/-0     
Author:A Lot...
7/13/2019 8:25:54 AM

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Of operators block their "Registration" and "Serial" numbers on these commercial flight tracking websites.  Why would anyone not affiliated with an operation need to know the location of a private company?

Or are you implying that by blocking a "registration" number, the operator is less safe than an operator who doesn't, thus resulting in aircraft accidents?

Grow up.



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Msg ID: 2582662 TOO SLOW, AP KICKED OFF, PILOT DISORIENTED IN WHAT WAS HAPPENING.  +0/-0     
Author:My, my
7/15/2019 6:19:30 PM

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a bit sensitive and defensive today, aren't we? Me thinks you doth protest too much.



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Msg ID: 2582898 TOO SLOW, AP KICKED OFF, PILOT DISORIENTED IN WHAT WAS HAPPENING.  +0/-0     
Author:Not at all...
7/16/2019 8:52:26 PM

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But the individual who made the Flight Aware implication was exactly attempting to conflate safety [or lack thereof] by referencing registration numbers on a commercial flight tracking website. 

So what if an operator blocks their registration numbers.  You ever hear of security procedures for crews, passengers, and aircraft?  That's required of operators, even less than 12,500 [to the pratical extent] in this day and age.

Never protested in my life...



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