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Msg ID: 2580603 AW139 Crash +0/-0     
Author:Bahamas News
7/4/2019 10:40:33 PM

I saw in the news that a helicopter crash occurred early this morning in the Bahamas. A friend in the islands said a 139. Sad day.



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Msg ID: 2580608 AW139 Crash +0/-0     
Author:WV Billionaire
7/4/2019 11:06:22 PM

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http://wvmetronews.com/2019/07/04/billionaire-west-virginia-coal-operator-and-philanthropist-chris-cline-dies-in-helicopter-crash/



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Msg ID: 2580609 AW139 Crash +0/-0     
Author: Skid equipped
7/4/2019 11:08:54 PM

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http://bahamaspress.com/2019/07/04/billionaire-chris-cline-six-others-die-in-helicopter-crash-in-abaco/



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Msg ID: 2580684 RIP.Tiger Woods ex wife's new boyfriend +2/-2     
Author:and BabyDaddy
7/5/2019 10:19:17 AM

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Msg ID: 2580633 Obtaining a pilot with significant offshore (NT) +1/-0     
Author:Experience may have helped
7/5/2019 6:20:57 AM

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Msg ID: 2580640 Obtaining a pilot with significant offshore  +2/-1     
Author:Not a 139
7/5/2019 6:36:59 AM

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Looks to be a 206 maybe 407.



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Msg ID: 2580660 Obtaining a pilot with significant offshore (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Just thinking
7/5/2019 8:24:30 AM

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Msg ID: 2580724 Obtaining a pilot with significant offshore  +0/-0     
Author:Looks like
7/5/2019 12:34:28 PM

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A 119 in the picture.  But looking up the registration # it says 139. The picture may be a file photo. 



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Msg ID: 2580648 Obtaining a pilot with significant offshore  +2/-1     
Author:JB
7/5/2019 7:49:25 AM

Reply to: 2580633

Pilot need IFR experience. Day VFR offshore doesn't matter here. Dark is dark.....



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Msg ID: 2580672 Obtaining a pilot with significant offshore  +6/-0     
Author:The pilot was inexperienced?
7/5/2019 9:41:53 AM

Reply to: 2580648

My guess is that a billionaire with a AW139 will hire only experienced pilots. However, you geniuses have already solved the case. No need to investigate further. Time to move on.



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Msg ID: 2580686 Obtaining a pilot with significant offshore  +2/-1     
Author:Anono
7/5/2019 10:24:55 AM

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Geoff Painter. About as experienced as you get


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Msg ID: 2581041 Obtaining a pilot with significant offshore  +0/-0     
Author:Billionaires do
7/6/2019 7:13:10 PM

Reply to: 2580672

tend to do their diligence, but, there are some who have that sense of invulnerability and scoff at being careful enough to get pilots worth their salt.



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Msg ID: 2581056 Apparently Not. +0/-1     
Author:Spaceman
7/6/2019 8:04:58 PM

Reply to: 2580672

And I'll bet he was also fixed wing rated.  That or fixed wing then Helicopter.  Never fails.  You know.  It is cheaper to have one pilot for both.  Right up until you die.



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Msg ID: 2581058 You lost that bet.  +1/-0     
Author:Anonymous
7/6/2019 8:12:24 PM

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He wasn't fixed wing rated. 



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Msg ID: 2580821 Obtaining a pilot with significant offshore  +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
7/5/2019 7:22:58 PM

Reply to: 2580648

139 auto-levels at 150'.  you have to force it lower



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Msg ID: 2581392 Obtaining a pilot with significant offshore  +1/-0     
Author:Well,
7/8/2019 8:32:55 PM

Reply to: 2580633
That may be true but if the aircraft suffered a catistophic mechanical failure, it doesn't matter how much experience a pilot has. I worked on 7-8 139s exclusively for six years and saw so many cracks repaired from the nose to the tail, especially the tailboom that I wouldn't ride in them anymore. Of course all makes and models have had their problems. Just saying, don't blame the pilots until the investigation is complete. Everyone is jumping on blaming the pilots and I'm not a pilot but retired 40 year rotorwing only mechanic.


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Msg ID: 2580643 AW139 Crash (NT) +0/-0     
Author:was N32CC AW139
7/5/2019 7:36:25 AM

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Msg ID: 2580649 What's up with the photo? +4/-0     
Author:Anonymous
7/5/2019 7:57:14 AM

Reply to: 2580643

Is that a file photo cuz that's not a 139. 



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Msg ID: 2580662 What's up with the photo? +1/-3     
Author:Update
7/5/2019 8:27:36 AM

Reply to: 2580649

Here it is...

https://ewnews.com/seven-americans-killed-in-helicopter-crash-off-abaco

 



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Msg ID: 2580689 What's up with the photo?..wrong +1/-0     
Author:65-10
7/5/2019 10:41:42 AM

Reply to: 2580662

The URL you posted shows an Enstrom.

What is your point/relevance ??



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Msg ID: 2580676 AW139 Crash (NT) +0/-0     
Author:119
7/5/2019 9:46:00 AM

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Msg ID: 2580687 AW139 Crash +0/-2     
Author:No Pics
7/5/2019 10:27:21 AM

Reply to: 2580676

I can’t find a single picture of AW139 N32CC. Just an old King Air with that registration.



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Msg ID: 2580709 AW139 Crash +0/-0     
Author:N32CC
7/5/2019 12:00:19 PM

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Msg ID: 2580716 AW139 Crash +0/-1     
Author:single pilot VFR
7/5/2019 12:20:43 PM

Reply to: 2580709

139 is a single pilot VFR aircraft. Looks like there's only one pilot in that photo



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Msg ID: 2580746 AW139 Crash +0/-5     
Author:lack of knowledge on display
7/5/2019 1:38:04 PM

Reply to: 2580716

yeah sure, and it's flown from the left seat genius



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Msg ID: 2580727 AW139 Crash +0/-0     
Author:Circus Monkey
7/5/2019 12:39:10 PM

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No rafts



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Msg ID: 2580874 AW139 Crash +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
7/5/2019 11:51:42 PM

Reply to: 2580709

No elt? 



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Msg ID: 2580691 AW139 Crash +1/-3     
Author:sad news
7/5/2019 11:02:01 AM

Reply to: 2580603

Pic that is circulating.

 

 



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Msg ID: 2580801 AW139 Crash +0/-0     
Author:BeenThereDoneThat
7/5/2019 5:05:21 PM

Reply to: 2580603

To clear up confusion about flying at 0200. THERE IS NO VFR AT NIGHT in the Bahamas (SUNSET/SUNRISE) so he was on a IFR flight plan. If you have ever flown in the Bahamas at night you will KNOW why an IFR flight plan is required. I would surmise that the aircraft was SPIFR or the mechanic/passenger was also a pilot filling a seat if the 139 is not SPIFR Certified. Sad incident. RIP



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Msg ID: 2580802 AW139 Crash +0/-0     
Author:The latest
7/5/2019 5:20:53 PM

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There was another pilot on board identified as David Jude. Everyone has been identified except for Geoff Painter. So two pilots on board.



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Msg ID: 2580861 AW139 Crash +5/-0     
Author:Been To Bahamas
7/5/2019 10:12:03 PM

Reply to: 2580801

I flew in and out of Nassau for a couple days about 20'years ago and yes, you would have to be on an IFR at night, but they took off from a private island owned by Cline. Maybe they decided not to file. If they were on an IFR flight plan, why did it take 12 hours for the aircraft to be reported missing?



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Msg ID: 2580947 AW139 Crash +0/-0     
Author:Flown around the islands for years
7/6/2019 11:17:07 AM

Reply to: 2580861

I don't think he could have filed, Private island, no facilties probably thought he would file once he got airborne and up aith Nassau. 

Generally in the islands you have to be IFR at night although some islands will provide waivers if local directors permit but even then they want IFR current pilots who are probably flying on local licenses with condtitions attached. 

 



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Msg ID: 2581044 AW139 Crash +0/-0     
Author:Not in
7/6/2019 7:19:44 PM

Reply to: 2580947

Kansas anymore, Toto.

Sorry to hear about this.  

The piccie looked like a 109 or 119.



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Msg ID: 2580910 AW139 Crash +0/-0     
Author:139
7/6/2019 8:05:12 AM

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Msg ID: 2580929 That was a very hard impact (NT) +2/-0     
Author:wow
7/6/2019 10:24:46 AM

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Msg ID: 2581017 ALTA +0/-1     
Author:I.P. Daily
7/6/2019 4:44:39 PM

Reply to: 2580950

Could  be taking off with max power then engaged ALTA and got surprise with collective going down 

and punched off AP maybe hit wrong button and ended up With no stabilization and lost it



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Msg ID: 2581045 ALTA +2/-0     
Author:All sorts
7/6/2019 7:24:08 PM

Reply to: 2581017

of possibilities.

Single pilot offshore at night is not for the unwary.



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Msg ID: 2581057 ALTA +0/-0     
Author:Spaceman
7/6/2019 8:09:41 PM

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Offshore at night is the most dangerous civil flying I have done next to Logging.  There went I Except for a competent Co-pilot.  It is deadly.  As can be seen.



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Msg ID: 2581069 ALTA +4/-1     
Author:Paco
7/6/2019 10:36:43 PM

Reply to: 2581057
No matter the make of model, it just takes one small bolt or other item to fail to cause a a catistophic failure. If you fly or maintain helicopters, you should know there is that chance. Don't blame the pilots just yet.


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Msg ID: 2581066 That was a very hard impact +0/-0     
Author:G-LBAL
7/6/2019 10:07:25 PM

Reply to: 2580929

Didn’t we learn anything from the Haughhey Air 139 crash in the UK?! This one seems eerily similar. Unfortunately, we don’t seem to be very good at finding new ways to crash helicopters. 



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Msg ID: 2581070 That was a very hard impact +1/-0     
Author:Anonymous
7/6/2019 10:37:12 PM

Reply to: 2581066

How much time is devoted to training for this type of take off? None maybe one low vis take off to check the box. Train pilots for what is killing them sad to say automation dependency.  Do a low vis take off and climb without engaging auto pilot then you can judge a pilots skill.



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Msg ID: 2581161 That was a very hard impact +1/-0     
Author:UK accident
7/7/2019 5:05:49 PM

Reply to: 2581066

I was thinking exactly the same, considering the fact that they were both taking off in a pitch dark night and the accident occured shortly after take off.

It is sad to see that automation is sometimes causing more problems rather than solving them and this, obviously, is due to lack of experience, training and system knowledge.

With that kind of machine flying at night or IMC shouldn't be a problem at all but then again you need to know what you're doing.

 



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Msg ID: 2581174 That was a very hard impact +2/-0     
Author:Circus Monkey
7/7/2019 6:37:23 PM

Reply to: 2581161

Know WHAT you are DOING!! end of Story Good or Bad! Real results!!!



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Msg ID: 2581269 That was a very hard impact +0/-0     
Author:Circus Monkey
7/8/2019 10:58:00 AM

Reply to: 2581174

So according to FAA Prelim report ONE Crew member! Why would you only have the PIC on a night flight??



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