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Msg ID: 2575697 Still No FAA Interpretation regarding tail-end +1/-1     
Author:Part 91 flying!
6/8/2019 10:25:03 AM

Yet another reasonable amount of time passes and still no FAA letter of interpretation showing the FAA sided  with the Union on tail-end Part 91 Reposition flights without medical crewmembers, as the union "president" claimed to have asked for and received.

That's because he never asked for an intepretation of such, but simply puts out bad (inaccurate/misleading) advice regarding such!

 

There is nothing issued by the Chief Council saying tail-end Part 91 flying is limited to 14-hour of duty!

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/regulations/Interpretations/RIIndex.cfm

 



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Msg ID: 2575710 I have recieved your complaint and a letter is on its way. (NT) +1/-0     
Author:FAA
6/8/2019 11:56:07 AM

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Msg ID: 2575716 Still No FAA Interpretation regarding tail-end (NT) +1/-2     
Author:56k and 5 days vacation
6/8/2019 12:13:52 PM

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Msg ID: 2575747 Ah, been a week or two since we heard from the +2/-0     
Author:President of the bed-wetting/thumb-
6/8/2019 4:49:11 PM

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suckers club.



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Msg ID: 2575757 been that long and still NO supporting document (NT) +1/-2     
Author:for the Prez'z BS to his members!
6/8/2019 6:02:11 PM

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Msg ID: 2575766 Still No FAA Interpretation regarding tail-end +4/-0     
Author:Last I worked
6/8/2019 6:38:33 PM

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for the big one everything was 135, irrespective, which negated tail end 91, until some flights didn't go, then all sorts of fiddling started.  The industry is just not clever enough to do the right thing.  Stuff like this will always be on the table in limbo.  If you can go to the airlines (i.e. you like it, want to make money, the family can swing it, etc.) do it.  Much better career, though the flying is indeed pretty boring.



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Msg ID: 2575876 You make it sound as if Part 91 flying afterwards +2/-0     
Author:is the wrong thing...it's not! It's...
6/9/2019 12:24:17 PM

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... a normal thing for Part 135 flying.  Always has been, and still is today.  You HAA bubba's think your special, so it's no wonder you think it's not the right thing to be doing!



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Msg ID: 2575774 You do... +1/-0     
Author:realize...
6/8/2019 7:12:26 PM

Reply to: 2575697
it takes up to 18 months to 2 years to get an LOI? They field dozens of requests monthly.


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Msg ID: 2575877 You do... realize you have to ask for one first (NT) +1/-0     
Author:if you ever want one back in 18 mos
6/9/2019 12:32:55 PM

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Msg ID: 2575779 GROW UP MAN NO ONE CARES BUT YOU +3/-0     
Author:Anonymous
6/8/2019 7:22:34 PM

Reply to: 2575697

You keep posting this BS every two weeks and no one cares. 

 

 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2575780 GROW UP MAN NO ONE CARES BUT YOU (NT) +2/-2     
Author:Nobody cares that you donít care
6/8/2019 8:12:01 PM

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Msg ID: 2575796 Actually they do. Go cry more to the FAA. (NT) +2/-0     
Author:Anonymous
6/8/2019 10:18:23 PM

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Msg ID: 2575803 Thought that's what the union prez was going +1/-1     
Author:to do (promised he was going to do)
6/8/2019 10:45:37 PM

Reply to: 2575796
He didn't though. So he has nothing to hang his hat on making the claims he made to his union Members who actually work for the company


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Msg ID: 2575850 He never made that promise. (NT) +1/-0     
Author:Go cry more.
6/9/2019 10:37:15 AM

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Msg ID: 2575873 Sure he did! +1/-0     
Author:Anonymous
6/9/2019 12:14:29 PM

Reply to: 2575850

His words were, "...and will also be seeking a definitive legal interpretation from the FAA to ensure that we are promoting and endorsing safe, legal, and prudent policy that is compliant with our regulatory requirements..."



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Msg ID: 2575914 Still No FAA Interpretation regarding tail-end +1/-0     
Author:Your Lord
6/9/2019 6:25:32 PM

Reply to: 2575697

 Are you even a Pilot? If so, for how long? The regs rarely tell you what you CAN do, They most often tell you what you SHALL NOT do. 

Have you read refulation that forbids you from doing about which you inquire? 



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Msg ID: 2575928 So, your saying since they don't say you can't (NT) +1/-0     
Author:Part 91 after 14hrs, you can! Got it!
6/9/2019 8:55:21 PM

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Msg ID: 2575946 Still No FAA Interpretation regarding tail-end +1/-0     
Author:Hillbilly utility guy
6/9/2019 11:29:02 PM

Reply to: 2575697

Please quit pretending the FAA will ever give an interpretation. They have already in the form of current written FAR’s. Stop embarrassing yourself by asking the ’union’ to read for you.

 Easy. two paragraghs, you can fly 8 hours carrying passengers around in a 14 hour day on shift! Simple so far? After that 8 hours stick time AND at 13.9 hours clock time. You CAN be given a flight part 91 for ANY amount of hours! Say 6 hours to reposition a machine to somewhere 500 miles away. ALL LEGAL if you have no passengers. Tomorrow, you can fly 500 miles back alone and it can still be Part 91.

 Of course that will make you timed out for 135 required rest. But suppose you arrive back at your base and another machine needs to go 1000 miles with no passengers. Yep! You are legal in Part 91,  paid, unpaid, 5 hours sleep, billed to outside hospitals? Doesn’t matter, it’s Part 91 flyin clock  hours and flight hours do not participate in this flight scenario.



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Msg ID: 2575955 Still No FAA Interpretation regarding tail-end +2/-0     
Author:HEMS pilot
6/10/2019 1:08:43 AM

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What am I missing here?

The company that I work for requires us to accept a flight if we plan to get to a receiving faciliry within 14 hours.  Or we can meet somewhere and swap pilots within 14 hours.  They do not allow the “part 91 ferry” without med crew after duty time.  I cannot count how many times I’ve timed out and waited for the oncoming pilot to drive and meet me.  Then drive 3+ hours back to base.  Often this ends up being an 18-21 hour shift.  Driving back on foggy mountain roads in the middle of the night tired AF.  Do you know what I would much rather do?  Fly the damn aircraft back at 15-16 hours.  So much more efficient and less dangerous.  



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Msg ID: 2575972 Still No FAA Interpretation regarding tail-end +1/-0     
Author:Anonymous
6/10/2019 9:00:58 AM

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If you rack it up in your car driving back, you’re dead but their aircraft is OK. Try looking at it that way. They do.



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Msg ID: 2575988 If you're too tired to fly back, get a hotel. But, don't +1/-0     
Author:decline the whole flight because,,,
6/10/2019 11:19:20 AM

Reply to: 2575972

,,, you are inconvienenced!  And, that's what this is all about:  declining flights that might otherwise get completed only because you are being inconvienenced!  Whaaa

 

You don't have to drive.  You can take a taxi!  or, stay where you're at.   



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Msg ID: 2576179 If you're too tired to fly back, get a hotel. But, don't +1/-0     
Author:Hems pilot
6/11/2019 3:24:06 AM

Reply to: 2575988

it doesn’t work that way idiot.  Many of our bases are waaaay out of the realm of taking a taxi or Uber.  Often times there is no base vehicle.  The oncoming pilot is expected to drive to the helicopter in their personal car, and hand over their keys to the pilot who has been on shift for 17 hours already.  Believe me this has been fought before.  Company attorneys finally say they can’t force you to hand over your personal keys.  But if you DON’T, you will be looking for a new job. 



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Msg ID: 2576188 If you're too tired to fly back, get a hotel. But, don't +1/-0     
Author:Anonymous
6/11/2019 6:58:10 AM

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No end to the roadblocks you gents seem to be able to put up to get in the way of making yourself money. Don't know what particular totalitarian regime you operate, but in our Gulag, all the pilots leave their keys at the Base. When stuck out, my co-refusenik jumps in my ol' Pickup, drives where I'm at, and I drive back...claiming 2-way mileage, *and* overtime at time-and-a-half. Then after we finish up our paperwork, we roll the clock back to take 10 hours off before showing up again. We are pretty happy in our chains here. But I can understand if you don't have a sweet deal like this, you might be a little chafed. Sit awhile in a nice warm tub, that's helpful.



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Msg ID: 2576473 plus 1, it ain't that hard (NT) +1/-0     
Author:to figure out.
6/12/2019 1:10:14 PM

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