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Msg ID: 2571646 National Organizing Effort +7/-5     
Author:Would you support it
5/14/2019 11:30:51 AM

Would you support a national organizing effort of the HAA Pilot industry to increase wages and benefits on a national level that would balance the strength and power of the pilots and the company? A collective effort to bring true industry standards to the HAA pilot profession. A mass participation rate would yield reductions in healthcare costs, pension and 401k contributions, standardized safety and representation for local and federal levels, and drive up WAGES for everyone!!! It could be unified under an aviation council or committee that each certfiticate holder pilot group would have representation of their individual company pilots, but would assist as a clearinghouse for information and standards that could be used to bargain and enforce each collective bargaining agreement. 

Would you support something like this, or not? Please state why.



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Msg ID: 2571647 National Organizing Effort +5/-6     
Author:No,
5/14/2019 11:40:50 AM

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I've been representing myself for quite a few years now and it has worked out just fine.

YMMV



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Msg ID: 2571649 National Organizing Effort +11/-4     
Author:No
5/14/2019 11:53:42 AM

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Because a bunch of twits would seize control and use it for their own personal gain like what happened at Bristow and the other unions.



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Msg ID: 2571650 National Organizing Effort +3/-3     
Author:Absolutely.
5/14/2019 11:55:08 AM

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Why is that stupid nurse making as much or more than me, for one thing. For another, I'd like more money.



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Msg ID: 2571654 National Organizing Effort +4/-0     
Author:#MakeHAAGreatAgain
5/14/2019 12:00:49 PM

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#Making109GreatAgain....#MakeHAAGreatAgain



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Msg ID: 2571794 National Organizing Effort +0/-0     
Author:Corky
5/14/2019 10:15:00 PM

Reply to: 2571650

Just become a nurse.  Problem solved.  



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Msg ID: 2571663 National Organizing Effort +3/-2     
Author:wake up, ding, ding, ding
5/14/2019 12:28:43 PM

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youve got to be dreaming or just plain stupid



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Msg ID: 2571665 National Organizing Effort +6/-1     
Author:Stupid is
5/14/2019 12:52:41 PM

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things staying the same and everyone "thinking" they know what each vendor gets and has; only to find out that all the cmpanies conspire to bracket this industry within THEIR parameters, and WE pilots are doing nothing to swing the pendulumn. A national organization would make ALL of the vendors information and details available to the other vendors and create a true "industry standard" giving us all have more leverage when bargaining contracts and if it ever came down to a work action or strike.

Power is in the numbers.....



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Msg ID: 2571674 National Organizing Effort +3/-2     
Author:The Donald
5/14/2019 1:54:16 PM

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Thought, that’s what the Union was for?

In reality the union could careless about their pilots, they just want part of your salary.  Sure you might find a few decent stewards, but the union management is in bed with the companys management.  The PHI pilots demonstrated they were not willing to collectively walk off the job years ago.  That weakness told all HEMS pilots were pay to pay check ball-less wonders who were all mouth & no butt. That inaction set pilots back 30 years imho.

 The HEMS industry is in trouble, the scam of billing people $40K for a helicopter ride over a hangnail is about up and so many other sectors are paying their people a great deal better than the HEMS operations are.  Look how many CFO types are taking the money & running.  This monster has been bleed about dry.  The industry is being mis managed out of business by people who talk a great game but in reality they are like Congress enriching themselves on others people’s backs.  

The pilots will never stick together & the operators know it.  



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Msg ID: 2571670 What, then, would stop each HAA certificate holder (NT) +0/-1     
Author:from banding together against unions?
5/14/2019 1:41:19 PM

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Msg ID: 2571673 What, then, would stop each HAA certificate holder +0/-1     
Author:They did that years ago my
5/14/2019 1:50:30 PM

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little naive buttercup.



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Msg ID: 2571675 National Organizing Effort +0/-1     
Author:Hum
5/14/2019 1:55:43 PM

Reply to: 2571646

i don’t understand, if we do this, how will the managers make their money? I’m concerned they don’t get enough money as it is.  I think we should let the managers and owners get rich.  



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Msg ID: 2571678 Have no fear, a union and its agency fees will (NT) +0/-1     
Author:soon be parted
5/14/2019 2:19:36 PM

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Msg ID: 2571681 National Organizing Effort +2/-1     
Author:It might work
5/14/2019 2:43:58 PM

Reply to: 2571646

Could all of us independent thinking, strong willed, self important and all knowing pilots come together to work toward a unified goal?



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Msg ID: 2571746 Probably Not... (NT) +0/-0     
Author:If we're being honest
5/14/2019 5:25:02 PM

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Msg ID: 2571720 National Organizing Effort +1/-0     
Author:If 109's performance is any .....
5/14/2019 4:03:17 PM

Reply to: 2571646

If 109's performance and, culture over the last 12 or so years is any indication of what one can expect out of your "national effort", thanks, I'll pass.  Dreamers vs. Realists.  I'm w/ the latter.  



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Msg ID: 2571736 National Organizing Effort +1/-0     
Author:Making109GreatAgain
5/14/2019 4:53:56 PM

Reply to: 2571720

Very pleased with the new leadership at the local 109 and the direction they are going. If the 109 is an indicator of things to come now that the good old boys are gone andf they have they drained the swamp than I am ALL for a national organized effort for the pilot industry.



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Msg ID: 2571737 Patting self on back here? (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
5/14/2019 4:55:01 PM

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Msg ID: 2571741 Patting self on back here? (NT) +2/-0     
Author:Proud 109'er ABSOLUTELY
5/14/2019 4:56:21 PM

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Msg ID: 2571742 when you praise yourself, it isn't praise at all (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
5/14/2019 4:57:20 PM

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Msg ID: 2571749 when you praise yourself, it isn't praise at all (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Is praise short for PayRAISE
5/14/2019 5:49:03 PM

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Msg ID: 2571753 how do you figure its an automatic pay raise? (NT) +0/-0     
Author:for some it might be a pay drop
5/14/2019 6:26:44 PM

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Msg ID: 2571754 how do you figure its an automatic pay raise? (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Without a Union...AGREED
5/14/2019 6:28:53 PM

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Msg ID: 2571755 vote in a union does not automatically get you (NT) +0/-0     
Author:a pay raise - could be just the opposite
5/14/2019 6:30:51 PM

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Msg ID: 2571756 vote in a union does not automatically get you (NT) +0/-0     
Author:History says otherwise...good try though
5/14/2019 6:32:08 PM

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Msg ID: 2571770 Yup... local 102 local 108 Local 107 +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
5/14/2019 8:02:59 PM

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All kicking butt with their employers


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Msg ID: 2571782 Yup... local 102 local 108 Local 107 +1/-0     
Author:109 is doing FINE
5/14/2019 9:03:09 PM

Reply to: 2571770

Mayeb they all should join the 109?



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Msg ID: 2572267 Local 109 will hire you, not problem! Full time! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
5/16/2019 6:26:00 PM

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Msg ID: 2571724 National Organizing Effort +1/-1     
Author:utility
5/14/2019 4:12:30 PM

Reply to: 2571646

How would organizing the whole industry like this keep health care costs down? You're going to give a bunch of thieving individuals the go ahead to take part of your wages and when you're on strike you're out of a paycheck and they are drawing a wage based on membership money.



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Msg ID: 2571730 Makes me wonder if the PHPA boy's are all collecting (NT) +0/-0     
Author:pension money even though its disbanded
5/14/2019 4:31:30 PM

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Msg ID: 2571739 Makes me wonder if the PHPA boy's are all collecting (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Nope.
5/14/2019 4:55:59 PM

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Msg ID: 2571731 u need to get out more +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
5/14/2019 4:32:23 PM

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or, you could stay in and read more. it’s not legal to “organize” employees in this manner, i.e. outside of an employee entity, that is, a company.

welcome to mr. reagan’s america. now get to work, pay your taxes, and quit   b  *  t  chin.



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Msg ID: 2571738 u need to get out more +0/-1     
Author:You need to learn to comprehend
5/14/2019 4:55:33 PM

Reply to: 2571731

This is not an organizing effort, it was poll on a private forum asking for specific feedback on a direct question. 100% legal and compliant.....move along snowflake



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Msg ID: 2571780 ok, i'll play ur silly game +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
5/14/2019 9:00:24 PM

Reply to: 2571738

yeah, go ahead and try to organize 4000+ haa pilots in a hundred different operations across 50 states for...uhhhh...nothing tangible. it amounts to being a member of save the whales...

bud, here's a pro tip for you: it's not possible to organize 10 u.s. helicopter pilots who just spent three days in death valley for a brewery tour.

oh and as far as moving along, thanks for the invite but unless you're a town cop trying to enforce a vagrancy law, i'll just stay right here and be a nuisance as long as you are clueless. 

look at it this way, it's job security for both of us.



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Msg ID: 2571781 ok, i'll play ur silly game +0/-1     
Author:Thanks for playing
5/14/2019 9:01:51 PM

Reply to: 2571780

Im gettign paid to sit here and type responses back and forth....not bothering one bit. Are you?



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Msg ID: 2571747 National Organizing Effort +2/-1     
Author:Power liner
5/14/2019 5:28:08 PM

Reply to: 2571646

 No way! It seems every time you HAA types have problems you think a union will help. Surprise.. they don’t mostly because very few of you are willing to walk off the job before the blades quit turning.

If all 135 certificate holders were required to participate in some bogus salary/benefits leveling it WILL eventually include ALL 135 certificate holders that is just how the FAA works. I for one of many, hate new stupid stuff forced on us non-HAA types by your astonishingly  poor safety records and amazing death toll.

If you can’t negotiate the wage you want WALK!



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Msg ID: 2571750 National Organizing Effort +0/-1     
Author:Do you even power line bro
5/14/2019 5:49:51 PM

Reply to: 2571747

Is that even a thing anymore?



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Msg ID: 2571767 National Organizing Effort (NT) +0/-0     
Author:#MakingHAAGreatAgain
5/14/2019 7:47:05 PM

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Msg ID: 2571785 National Organizing Effort +0/-0     
Author:oldNtired
5/14/2019 9:34:10 PM

Reply to: 2571767

Somebody who doesn't know anything about the industry is sniffing the wind !  The pushers and shovers are always looking for opportunities !



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Msg ID: 2571787 National Organizing Effort +0/-0     
Author:???
5/14/2019 9:35:25 PM

Reply to: 2571646

You are just a taxi driver unless you do utility work then most are just picup drivers how much do you need?



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Msg ID: 2571923 National Organizing Effort +0/-0     
Author:Aaahhhhhhhhhhh.........
5/15/2019 12:46:23 PM

Reply to: 2571646

more socialism.



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Msg ID: 2571938 National Organizing Effort +0/-0     
Author:#MAKINGHAAGREATAGAIN
5/15/2019 1:25:40 PM

Reply to: 2571923

FAR from socialism.....If it follows suit of the 109 then the members will actually get a return on their dues and have a proper and ethical operating union. These are the unions of past. #Made109GreatAgain

Now its time to #MakeHAAGreatAgain



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