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Msg ID: 2559344 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +1/-6     
Author:Unbelievable great news.
3/9/2019 10:20:31 PM

SPIFR IN THE 206 and 407.  

AEL way ahead of the aviation field. 

They will be the first to do it.  

Msg ID: 2559345 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +0/-0     
Author:good one
3/9/2019 10:21:29 PM

Reply to: 2559344

ya got us! harharhar.

Msg ID: 2559346 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR (NT) +0/-0     
Author:No joke. It’s what mngt is saying.
3/9/2019 10:24:11 PM

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Msg ID: 2559348 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +7/-1     
Author:Ha ha ha ha
3/9/2019 10:37:23 PM

Reply to: 2559346

AEL IFR  in a 206 /407?  Hell  they barely can fly VFR ! 😂

Msg ID: 2559351 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +0/-3     
Author:Are they an air carrier
3/9/2019 11:22:03 PM

Reply to: 2559348

With dba of ael 

Msg ID: 2559370 AEL operates their own Part 135. ... +0/-0 yes they are an Air Carrier.
3/10/2019 9:05:12 AM

Reply to: 2559351

What does DBA have to do with it? Now I agree they are @ the bottom with all of the rest of the low-rent operators but they do own the whole mess.

Msg ID: 2559372 Oh, so a legit DBA (NT) +0/-0     
3/10/2019 9:21:33 AM

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Msg ID: 2559556 What does DBA have to do with it? +1/-0     
Author:They ARE the ...
3/11/2019 8:44:02 AM

Reply to: 2559372

...OPERATOR/OWNER of the Part 135 certificate. Any Part 121 or 135 Air Carrier can annotate their OPS SPEC with a DBA. Are you stupid??

Msg ID: 2559560 Exactly, a real air carrier using a real DBA (NT) +1/-0     
Author:issued with real OPSPECs
3/11/2019 9:14:56 AM

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Msg ID: 2559561 However, a real OWNER/OPERATOR cannot +1/-0     
Author:annotate their OPSPEC with a DBA
3/11/2019 9:21:36 AM

Reply to: 2559556

that represents another business entitiy as if that business entity.  They may not: 


(2)  Use a doing business as (DBA) name in any way that represents an entity that does not hold an Air Carrier or Operating Certificate and operations specifications as having such a certificate and operations specifications.


(4)  Use of Other Business Name(s) (DBA).

(a)  The certificate holder may not allow or create the circumstances that would enable any other entity to conduct a flight for compensation or hire under Part 119, 121, or 135 as if that entity were the certificate holder.
(b)  The certificate holder must not operate an aircraft under Part 135 under the legal name or fictitious name of any other person or entity, unless authorized in operations specification A001. Such authorization does not authorize any person or entity, other than the certificate holder, to conduct operations under the certificate holder’s certificate and operations specifications.
(c)  The certificate holder may not allow the use of a fictitious name to obscure the certificate holder’s responsibility and accountability to exercise operational control over its flight operations.



Msg ID: 2559691 So what is your point? +1/-0     
Author:DBA is allowed
3/12/2019 8:27:19 AM

Reply to: 2559561

We’ve had one on our 135 for the last 35 years.

Msg ID: 2559696 representing an entity not beloning to +1/-0     
Author:the air carrier as if they were
3/12/2019 9:29:29 AM

Reply to: 2559691

a helicopter transportation company themselves?   Has the DOT approved your use of that DBA under FAR 215.3?

Msg ID: 2559836 How stupid... +2/-0     
Author:...are you?
3/13/2019 8:11:32 AM

Reply to: 2559696

The Air Medical Service is OWNED AND OPERATED by a Hospital Medical Center. The OPS SPECS authorize the air service to DBA as “Life Flight”. All the employees work for the Hospital. GET IT???

Msg ID: 2560230 “Crickets”.....finally (NT) +1/-0     
Author:‘Nuf said
3/15/2019 8:21:29 AM

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Msg ID: 2559692 Dude what is your deal +2/-0     
3/12/2019 8:33:53 AM

Reply to: 2559351

Why do you poke your head into every freaking thread to argue whether or not the company being discussed holds the certificate or not.


It's never relevant to the conversation.. you just look like a nerdy d-bag.



Msg ID: 2559353 Part 91, maybe (NT) +0/-0     
3/10/2019 12:19:58 AM

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Msg ID: 2559355 Part 91, maybe +0/-0     
Author:IFR Sporty
3/10/2019 1:03:44 AM

Reply to: 2559353

Well Bell is trying to get IFR on the type certificate for the 407 abd that shares the 206 type certificate....

Msg ID: 2559361 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +0/-0     
Author:Did they forget
3/10/2019 6:05:11 AM

Reply to: 2559344

There's a reason that AEL uses a fleet of 206s. They're cheap. That fits their business model. Many of their bases couldn't be sustained without membership money as it is. They don't need to add to the operating cost.

Msg ID: 2559365 Single engine HAA under 135? +1/-0     
3/10/2019 8:18:08 AM

Reply to: 2559344

Believe it when I see it. 

Msg ID: 2559373 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +2/-0     
Author:Rip Van Winkie
3/10/2019 9:27:25 AM

Reply to: 2559344
I hope not. I like sleeping when wx gets bad.

Msg ID: 2559376 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +3/-0     
3/10/2019 9:30:59 AM

Reply to: 2559344

They won’t be the first.  Original AMC did for years with 206Ls.  Back in the days, we had six or seven of them.  we flew IFR with it.  However, we did do as much as in twins due to fuel load.  It just didn’t have enough payload.  There is an OpSpecs for an authorization for single engine IFR operations for part 135.  I believe it is A047.  I think it does say that the ceiling must be enough for an auto.  It doesn’t give spec number though.


Msg ID: 2559383 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +1/-0     
3/10/2019 10:09:36 AM

Reply to: 2559376

You‘re absolutely correct. I flew an IFR 206L for AMC in the early 2000’s. As you said, range was the big limitation, but I think with all of the GPS approaches now, and WAAS, you will get more use out of one. 

Great to have an IFR option when you run into that unforecast crud. 

Msg ID: 2559381 IFR 206 Is Nothing New +1/-0     
3/10/2019 10:05:08 AM

Reply to: 2559344

There has been an STC for IFR 206 for years. PHI had one 20 years ago and it was a good IFR training aircraft, but it couldn't be used on a real IFR flight if you were going more than 20 miles.

Msg ID: 2559384 IFR 206 Is Nothing New +0/-0     
Author:And they will be the 1st ones to crash
3/10/2019 10:21:01 AM

Reply to: 2559381

One.  First to fly one and first to crash one. 

Msg ID: 2559427 IFR 206 Is Nothing New (NT) +1/-0     
Author:Real IFR, cmon man
3/10/2019 1:13:40 PM

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Msg ID: 2559395 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +1/-0     
Author:Good For Them...
3/10/2019 11:01:06 AM

Reply to: 2559344
I've done lots of IFR in SE aircraft. It sure beats flying into the ground because an aircraft only has one engine and a piece of paper says it isn't legal to operate it IFR. As long as the maintenance is increased appropriately as in SE IFR FW, there is no issue. Heck, the aircraft doesn't know if it is in a cloud, or not...

Msg ID: 2559407 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +2/-2     
Author:inspector detector
3/10/2019 11:25:32 AM

Reply to: 2559395

Have you guys heard of the FARs? Maybe you should read them sometime?

Msg ID: 2559437 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +1/-0     
Author:Tell me why
3/10/2019 1:49:05 PM

Reply to: 2559407

I should read them.

Msg ID: 2559461 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +1/-0     
3/10/2019 4:25:40 PM

Reply to: 2559407

Which are you:

1) Someone that knows there is not a regulation against flying a SE helicopter under IFR


2) Someone that doesn't know how to interpret the regulation in question? Hint: The reg says you can't fly a SE helicopter "over the top unless..." it doesn't say "on top" or "IFR"

Msg ID: 2559479 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +1/-1     
Author:Clarence Victor
3/10/2019 5:22:49 PM

Reply to: 2559461

VFR on top is an IFR clearance.

A VFR aircraft cannot legally accept such a clearance.

Msg ID: 2559503 that's what he said (NT) +2/-0     
Author:thanks for playing
3/10/2019 7:14:08 PM

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Msg ID: 2559641 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +1/-0     
Author:Yes It Can...
3/11/2019 7:21:15 PM

Reply to: 2559479

If a pilot maintains compliance with 91.155 & 91.157.

Msg ID: 2559480 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +2/-0     
Author:135.163 Equipment requirements:
3/10/2019 5:28:14 PM

Reply to: 2559407
Aircraft carrying passengers under IFR...

f) For a single-engine aircraft:

(1) Two independent electrical power generating sources each of which is able to supply all probable combinations of continuous inflight electrical loads for required instruments and equipment; or

(2) In addition to the primary electrical power generating source, a standby battery or an alternate source of electric power that is capable of supplying 150% of the electrical loads of all required instruments and equipment necessary for safe emergency operation of the aircraft for at least one hour;

Appendix B to Part 27—Airworthiness Criteria for Helicopter Instrument Flight; and

Appendix B to Part 29—Airworthiness Criteria for Helicopter Instrument Flight.

As long as the FAA certificates the aircraft, what's the issue?

I am pretty good with the regulatory requirements...How about you???

Msg ID: 2559444 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +1/-0     
Author:Glad my house isn't under
3/10/2019 2:34:26 PM

Reply to: 2559344

any of the arrival or departure routes. And I'm going to make an extra effort to avoid any trauma or serious health issues. And move in between the heart and trauma centers.

Msg ID: 2559447 Getting on eBay and looking for (NT) +1/-0     
Author:lead umbrellas.
3/10/2019 2:46:22 PM

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Msg ID: 2559448 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +1/-0     
Author:Just when they manged to have
3/10/2019 2:47:36 PM

Reply to: 2559344

their fatlity rate declining, too. Oh well.

Msg ID: 2559505 It looks like a village is missing (NT) +1/-0     
Author:it's idiot
3/10/2019 7:16:08 PM

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Msg ID: 2559518 It looks like a village is missing +1/-0     
Author:Leave your
3/10/2019 7:57:50 PM

Reply to: 2559505

mother out of this. Or the rest of Missouri for that matter.

Msg ID: 2559530 It looks like a village is missing +1/-0     
Author:And there's no apostrophe in
3/10/2019 9:18:00 PM

Reply to: 2559505

possessive 'its'.

Msg ID: 2559566 You mean IFR on purpose instead of (NT) +1/-0     
3/11/2019 10:54:48 AM

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Msg ID: 2559574 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +1/-0     
Author:Come on Man
3/11/2019 11:36:22 AM

Reply to: 2559344

I was flying SPIFR in a 206 with AMC in 1995.  In fact the whole company was a SPIFR company back then.  You couldn’t get hired unless you could actually fly IfR.  

Msg ID: 2559583 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +2/-0     
Author:yep what ^ said!
3/11/2019 12:23:08 PM

Reply to: 2559574

Currently fly an IFR certified 206L-3, single pilot too. Not a big deal. Can't haul a damn thing, but I can average a little over 130 NM at gross with reserves. Albeit that's 2 pax plus me and our normal trips are 80 mile legs. The owner loves it, I don't mind it and if we have to carry more than 2, we take the jet or the 109. 

Msg ID: 2559593 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +5/-0     
Author:Money doesn't make you smart
3/11/2019 1:25:07 PM

Reply to: 2559583

What kind of owner has a 109 available but chooses to head into the clouds in a 206? Wow.

Msg ID: 2559781 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +1/-0     
Author:il dulce
3/12/2019 6:17:52 PM

Reply to: 2559593
Look at a 109 long enough and it will break. Then about a 75% chance that they don’t have the parts available for a week or ten.

Msg ID: 2559648 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +2/-0     
Author:Got news for ya -
3/11/2019 7:45:51 PM

Reply to: 2559344

AMC was IFR in a 206 many many many moons ago.

Msg ID: 2559661 AEL to be first EMS operator to fly 206 407 IFR +1/-0     
3/11/2019 8:50:07 PM

Reply to: 2559648

very true - at least 20 - 30 years ago.