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Msg ID: 2554667 Donít forget 91.3 and 1.1 +6/-4     
2/7/2019 12:57:00 AM

Next time the medcrew opens their mouth about your flying, remind them that they’re running the risk of violating a federal regulation regarding the authority of the PIC. then tell management that you can’t operate safely within the FARs with the current medcrew and that the FAA should be notified. If the company is going to side with the medcrew, then they’re encouraging employees to violate federal regulations. Then involve CAMTS since they stand for “ethical buisness practices” and let them know that your company allows or even encourages ignoring federal regulations.

then go back to bed


Msg ID: 2554669 then,,,, they will show you the door (NT) +3/-1     
2/7/2019 12:58:57 AM

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Msg ID: 2554670 then,,,, they will show you the door +3/-1     
2/7/2019 1:07:21 AM

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Then sue them for violating the whistleblower protection act

Msg ID: 2554694 ha, you haven't kept up with history all this time (NT) +0/-1     
2/7/2019 10:25:20 AM

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Msg ID: 2554671 Donít forget 91.3 and 1.1 +0/-0     
Author:Golden Rule
2/7/2019 4:13:01 AM

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he who has the gold, makes the rules...

Msg ID: 2554674 Donít forget 91.3 and 1.1 +1/-0     
Author:Just me.....
2/7/2019 7:15:03 AM

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Keep your resume updated!

Msg ID: 2554675 It's simple really +2/-6     
Author:stop killing med crew
2/7/2019 7:51:27 AM

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I love these threads.. They really highlight the underlying insecure ego of the pilot cohort.  


You are not all powerful

You do not know everything

You make mistakes

When you make a mistake, there is a high probability that you'll kill everyone

I'm going to speak up if I think you're making a mistake.


You can either cling onto this fatal level of arrogance that you posess and eventually kill yourself and everyone in the back, or you can grow the F**K up and act like an adult who's capable of adult conversations without getting butt-hurt and crying about it on justhelicopters.

Msg ID: 2554676 It's simple really +3/-0     
Author:How Old Are You?
2/7/2019 8:07:38 AM

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And what experience have you acquired in DOT/FAA Air Carrier Certification and operations?  Because your displayed level of understanding is clearly superficial.  

Any day, I would put my trust in the experience of the PIC, rather than a passenger in the back seat...Even a self-righteous individual such as you present here.

Msg ID: 2554680 It's simple really +0/-3     
2/7/2019 8:38:34 AM

Reply to: 2554676

I'd rather be self righteous than fatally arrogant.


To imply that any grown adult is incapable of evaluating the weather is laughable..


Thankfully, many pilots are grown-ups and don't mind when the other adults in the room say "eh, this weather doesn't seem that great, lets not go".  Even with that, we still have morons like yourself who think they know everything, ignore the med crews concerns, fly into IMC, and kill everyone on board.

In your world, where all med crew would be ignored at all times because "the almighty pilot knows everything" I wonder how many more fatal crashes you idiots would cause each year.. 

Msg ID: 2554698 It's simple really +8/-0     
Author:pay attention!
2/7/2019 10:51:44 AM

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You don't have to fly.  Nobody is implying that you do have to fly.  You can not fly all you want. 

That doesn't mean that you have a clue about weather or aviation because of your frequent flyer miles. 

Some people won't fly on Friday the 13th, or when there is a full moon.  That's there right, but it doesn't indicate any particular skill set.

The skills that you do possess contribute to the third highest cause of death in the U.S.  What are the odds that you're any better at aviation?

By the way, those pilot's that you refer to as "grownups" aren't really considering your wx analysis as valid.  They just want to know whether you want to go or not....the reason why is not relevant.

Msg ID: 2554704 It's simple really +1/-1     
Author:Observer 2
2/7/2019 11:17:50 AM

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Really you two. Grow up. The med crew has every right to say “I wont go” if they feel uncomfortable. As a pilot I weigh all input, even from those with no skills whatsoever. What med crew does not have any right to do is to push a pilot to go. That is a ciolation of the regs. That isnt arrogance, thats power granted by 91.3. Weigh all inputs, but make the decision yourself.

Msg ID: 2554709 It's simple really +0/-0     
Author:pay attention!
2/7/2019 11:31:40 AM

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The reason why is not relevant.  The medcrew can say whatever they want, they can push to fly, they can push to not fly, they can stand on one leg and whistle Yankee Doodle Dandy.  It doesn't matter. 

If I want to go, and they do too, we go.  If I want to go, and they don't, we don't go.  If I don't want to go, we don't.  Seems pretty simple to me.

Msg ID: 2554707 It's simple really +0/-0     
Author:Speaking of skills:
2/7/2019 11:27:59 AM

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Might want to work on your spelling skills. There vs their.  "That's there right"

Msg ID: 2554712 Congrats, you've found your lane, (NT) +0/-0     
Author:stay in it.
2/7/2019 11:35:01 AM

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Msg ID: 2554752 Congrats, you've found your lane, +0/-0     
Author:Still doesn't
2/7/2019 1:29:54 PM

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negate your lack of spelling skills.

Msg ID: 2554865 good job staying between the lines.. (NT) +0/-0     
2/8/2019 12:47:53 PM

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Msg ID: 2554720 FACT CHECK +0/-4     
2/7/2019 11:53:37 AM

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FACT - you guys aren't the weather experts that you think you are

EVIDENCE - despite your delusions of weather expertise, you still manage to regularly say "the weather is fine" in circumstances where it definitely isn't and kill everyone on board.


Msg ID: 2554732 FACT CHECK +3/-1     
2/7/2019 12:15:22 PM

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FACT - you guys aren't the medical experts that you think you are.

EVIDENCE - despite your delusions of medical expertise, you still manage to kill your patients, making you the third leading cause of death in the U.S.

Msg ID: 2554741 Bro you're replying to a pilot  +0/-0     
2/7/2019 12:56:57 PM

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Your reply to him is invalid

Msg ID: 2554757 Bro you're replying to a pilot (NT) +1/-0     
Author:eh, if you say so
2/7/2019 1:56:03 PM

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Msg ID: 2554737 FACT CHECK +5/-0     
Author:the wonderer
2/7/2019 12:45:55 PM

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So, pilots aren't weather experts because they miss the mark sometimes. Fair enough.

Just because I'm the curious sort, who, in your learned estimation, is a weather expert? Maybe you should hire them to fly your helicopters?


Msg ID: 2554798 if you want to enhance safety... (NT) +0/-0     
Author:put down that knife and fork!
2/7/2019 8:32:00 PM

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Msg ID: 2554934 careful with that axe Eugene! (NT) +0/-0     
2/8/2019 9:21:57 PM

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Msg ID: 2554715 It's simple really +0/-0     
2/7/2019 11:42:39 AM

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cohort? ha, you're not from around here, are you?

back to flightweb with you!

Msg ID: 2554778 It's simple really +1/-0     
2/7/2019 4:52:16 PM

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Practice what you preach:

I love these threads too.. They really highlight the underlying insecure ego of the Med Crew cohort.  

 You are not all powerful, Mr Oz

You will never know everything

Medical People make mistakes more than pilots, Check the fact below

When you make a mistake, there is a SUPER high probability that you will kill that person

I will never speak up if I think you're making a mistake cause it'll get me fired

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000. Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer


Msg ID: 2554677 Donít forget 91.3 and 1.1 +3/-0     
2/7/2019 8:08:39 AM

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You are 100% correct about the regulations. Then there is the real world you will be fired and trying  to sue, if a lawyer will not take the case on contingency then they don’t think they can win it and good luck finding a lawyer that would take a case like this on contingency. 

 My solution I went and got a utility job and life is just better. 

I worked at Med Trans And I am here to tell you the management  well not only fire you they will do everything in their power to ruin your career.  I would think long and hard before working for this company.  

And for those of you that say you need to learn to get along, the reality is you are the ones empowering the medcrews  behavior by looking the other way to keep your job. 

 Which leads to the toxic unsafe work environment. 


Msg ID: 2554696 Seriously, stop whining about this! (NT) +2/-0     
Author:enough already!!!
2/7/2019 10:38:52 AM

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Msg ID: 2554710 Once again I will remind all that med malpractice +0/-0     
Author:causes more deaths than pilots
2/7/2019 11:32:18 AM

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"Stay in your lane Bro"!

You poke the needels, I'll fly the machine.

Msg ID: 2554730 Once again I will remind all that med malpractice +1/-4     
Author:Confident AND experienced PIC
2/7/2019 12:14:34 PM

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Although they are now pushing it in their most recent posts, Roflcopter makes good points. We are certainly not all knowing and I inform my medcrew as much as possible about the wx and all other items from the aviation standpoint and request that they inform me of anything pertinent from a medical standpoint (benz, prolonged bedside time, prolonged extrication, etc) so we are as transparent as possible with each other in the best interest if all going home at the end of the shift. However, they know I am human and the same is true for me of them.


This is elemental to what we do...HEMS 101. Man up and accept that we need med crew and they need us. Symbiosis I believe is the word..... if you dont understand this find another facet of the industry. It is ALL of our responsibility to change the terrible accident rate and stop being the laughingstock of aviation. The FAA regulators will appreciate this as well... 

(this post not intended to deprecate the people,decisions, actions, or inactions of the recent SF accident and has unfortunately has been relevant in HEMS / HAA for a long time now) 

Msg ID: 2554739 Once again I will remind all that med malpractice +0/-0     
Author:yeah, whatev
2/7/2019 12:51:55 PM

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what a revelation!

Msg ID: 2554753 Donít forget 91.3 and 1.1 +0/-0     
Author:Utility flyer
2/7/2019 1:37:09 PM

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 Turn the med crew paycheck to a flight hours standard like lots of linemen and power line pilots. Weather turn downs will plummet. I doubt the crash rate will change much since the very high weather mins. don’t seem to slow the crash rate.

Msg ID: 2554767 Donít forget 91.3 and 1.1 +1/-0     
2/7/2019 3:19:49 PM

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that's actually a good idea

Msg ID: 2554829 GOOD LUCK +3/-0     
2/7/2019 10:58:57 PM

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Here is what you’re missing. The key is making the med crew believe they are part of the team and you welcome their input, knowing in reality you don’t need it and definitely don’t give a damn wether they are on board or not. I always laugh about CRM. I spent 10 years in EMS and never once needed a med crew to assist in any decision I ever made, and I did the job with proficiency and safety. You can’t even count on these people to close doors properly, the weakest link was always entrusting them to do very simple things.

Msg ID: 2554848 GOOD LUCK +2/-0     
2/8/2019 8:12:21 AM

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95% of the time, this is the easiest flying you'll ever do (assuming you're making good decisions). Its the people part that's hard.

Msg ID: 2554867 you will be the quickly forgotten martyr, and they (NT) +0/-0     
Author:will continue on without you anyways
2/8/2019 12:55:40 PM

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Msg ID: 2554911 Donít forget 91.3 and 1.1 +1/-0     
Author:I get it,
2/8/2019 6:32:27 PM

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but that is all a bit much though deploy it as you  see fit though consider the last time an FAA POI was at our base he very much directly encouraged the med crew to make sure they speak up and tell 'that' pilot to land, or turn around, or whatever.

He and I had words and it wasn't long before he realized he had bit off more than he could chew.  Had to literally tell him roughly what you are advocating was going to occur through his FSDO and Washington.  He had some words of correction to the med crew.  

This specific HAA problem of med crews thinking they have authority has been created by the FAA historically not doing the job we expect them to do, although the answer to the problem to them is one to be solved by the operator through input by the Fed.  Reality is hospitals and med people are NOT about to listen to an operator, even if they work directly for them, for the most part.  They are control freaks and that ain't about to change.