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Msg ID: 2534522 AMC pilot losses +56/-0     
Author:132 openings and counting
10/10/2018 2:06:52 PM

Supposedly AMC has 19 pilots give notice in the last 48 hours.   ael is closing bases for lack of ability to staff pilots.  Reach is having another “meeting” to try to figure out how to fill their openings that have been around for 6 months without paying more to the Pilots.  It’s finally payback time for these sh$t companies that treated their employees so poorly and I am loving it.  

Msg ID: 2534523 AMC pilot losses +8/-3     
10/10/2018 2:12:46 PM

Reply to: 2534522

c'mon in, The Kool Aide's fine.


PS: as much as you want, as much as you wish, they could care less about you, you are a number and we're all replaceable. until you relize that, you're wasting your breath...

Msg ID: 2534525 AMC pilot losses +4/-0     
Author:5 days vacation
10/10/2018 2:24:39 PM

Reply to: 2534523

F-em !

Msg ID: 2534577 AMC pilot losses +1/-1     
Author:Bit confusing
10/10/2018 6:09:40 PM

Reply to: 2534523

but I get it.

Msg ID: 2534526 Say it ain't so +2/-0     
Author:The rule is over
10/10/2018 2:30:43 PM

Reply to: 2534522
All this time we were told that amc would absorb a majority of the industry. So glad to be in my last years of this. It peaked in about 2000.

Msg ID: 2534536 Say it ain't so +2/-23     
10/10/2018 4:18:30 PM

Reply to: 2534526

The industry is expected to close approximatley 10% of bases within the next 18-24 months. For AMC, that is roughly 30 bases. The AVERAGE base has three pilots assigned. AMC has 102 positions for line pilots when you read through the mulitple postings for each base and relief pilots. 

3 pilots per base multiplied by 30 bases equals 90 positons.

That leaves only 12 that go unfilled at the current rate.

Either pick a new position, or move on. AMC is NOT having a problem with hiring and there has been several pilots who left for "greater" airline life and returned.

Considering this is industry wide; thag FACT is that these organizartions will take advantage of the desaturatioin and over utilization of the industry and it WILL balance the employee-profit spreadsheets on its own.

They are not worried, because they dont have to be.


Msg ID: 2534538 Say it ain't so +12/-0     
Author:exAMCer by choice
10/10/2018 4:27:45 PM

Reply to: 2534536

Jeez....just like crack, once you've swallowed the Kool-Aid there's no more reasoning with you.  Keep putting lipstick on that pig...

Msg ID: 2534551 Who has returned from the airlines +15/-0     
Author:RTP Graduate
10/10/2018 4:59:08 PM

Reply to: 2534538

I know a ton of ex AMC’s who couldn’t be happier at the airlines. We don’t know anyone who has willingly gone back.

Msg ID: 2534540 Say it ain't so +5/-0     
10/10/2018 4:30:12 PM

Reply to: 2534536

Your math is a bit off buckaro.

AMC ALREADY HAS 102 openings. You can’t count current employees whose base will close down in 18 months as people to fill those slots. On top of it, just because a pilot’s base closes it doesn’t necessarily mean they will willingly transfer to BFmiddle of nowhere. 

The truth is that it’s a slippery slope. 102 openings now, more will come, some will get filled, other bases will close and pilots will not transfer.

Its only going to get worse.

Even over on the happier VR forum, people respond to the “I want to become a pilot” with warnings about getting into the profession 

Msg ID: 2534552 Say it ain't so +1/-0     
Author:There’s a yahoo like you in every thread
10/10/2018 5:04:43 PM

Reply to: 2534536

your info is waaaaaayyyy off.  AMC added 4 more based.  Reach just added 3 in the last year.  And with ael and med trans unable to hold any pilots due to low pay there will be more.  My base volume had gone up.  So has reimbursement rates.  Nice try though but you don’t have any real info do you

Msg ID: 2534687 Say it ain't so +0/-0     
Author:Good points
10/11/2018 12:44:02 PM

Reply to: 2534536

but time will tell, for sure.

Msg ID: 2534531 AMC pilot losses +7/-0     
10/10/2018 3:41:10 PM

Reply to: 2534522

It’s nice to feel vindicated.

I’m one of the many that got scr*wed over. They lost me as an employee, I’ll never return and I will actively try to dissuade anyone from ever joining. 

I am the living embodiment of the ripple effect that companies like this don't consider when they treat a pilot as a “number” and easily replaced. 

Msg ID: 2534534 AMC pilot losses +0/-0     
Author:Murica Securities
10/10/2018 4:01:26 PM

Reply to: 2534531

We demand that any JH Forum thread that sheds a negative light on our pitiful holdings be deleted at once!

Dance JH puppet dance.

Msg ID: 2534569 speaking of being treated like a number, the (NT) +0/-0     
Author:airlines are hiring
10/10/2018 6:02:28 PM

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Msg ID: 2534691 AMC pilot losses +4/-2     
Author:Their problem
10/11/2018 1:13:20 PM

Reply to: 2534531

is reverence for hiring ex/military pilots because many are in retirement and they can bring the onboard for less than someone who does not have that income. 

That said the gist of the matter is with this practice the militarization of the company evolves to one of numbers and slots and all the rest that fail allowing a constructive culture to grow the connectivity amongst those within for the purpose of greater efficiency and well being.

The military is just fine with its ways, but those do not necessarily fit a civilian helicopter operator as well as one might think albeit the exmilitary pilots may find it somewhat fine in the beginning the cracks definitely emerge in their realization as they civilianize to their new reality. 

Think about it.


Msg ID: 2534694 AMC pilot losses +2/-0     
10/11/2018 1:20:28 PM

Reply to: 2534691

Were you having a stroke when you wrote this?

Msg ID: 2534537 AMC pilot losses +1/-2     
Author:An Army Guy
10/10/2018 4:27:28 PM

Reply to: 2534522

If you guys would get your union to square itself away with a good legal team and negotiator like Fort Rucker did with their recent contract maybe you would have a fair contract to pay you what you deserve.

Now the Fort Rucker contract is struggling to maintain pilots NOT because of RTP or a bad contract, but poor Army management and oversight.  That's unfortunate because it's a really great contract and Fort Rucker used to be a great place to work.  

Msg ID: 2534547 AMC pilot losses +0/-0     
Author:I applied to REACH. GOT BORED
10/10/2018 4:50:14 PM

Reply to: 2534537

Of the long application process. I am waaaaaay qualified for their spots in make/model/NVG and SPIFR and never got a call Or interview.  Not sure who they are hiring then.  Low time low pilots 

Msg ID: 2534564 AMC pilot losses +5/-0     
Author:You're on to something
10/10/2018 5:48:07 PM

Reply to: 2534547

A pilot's a pilot's a pilot and newbies are easier to "manage."

It's by design.

Msg ID: 2534693 AMC pilot losses +0/-0     
10/11/2018 1:14:53 PM

Reply to: 2534547

Same thing here.  Got one call for a new base, but they wanted me when I was not available, so they said thanks but no thanks...


So happy I didn't get picked up, as I landed a non-EMS job that I love.

Msg ID: 2535530 AMC pilot losses +0/-0     
Author:Low time pilot?
10/17/2018 7:47:20 PM

Reply to: 2534547

If you're below 10k hours flight time you are a low time pilot, a junior pilot.  Get over it.  And yes, you're a junior pilot.  May be why you're being ignored.  Or is it the attitude?

Msg ID: 2534578 AMC pilot losses +0/-0     
Author:First the local has
10/10/2018 6:12:35 PM

Reply to: 2534537

to find union rep candidates who are willing to be honest with the membership !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I for one left over this issue as I see absolutely no future at the company.  They will never own up to the fact they are a niche operator that needs really good pilots willing to stay the course for a competitive wage.

These operators are a dying breed.  

Notice the RVN pilots built them off their backs to no avail.  Sad state of affairs.

Msg ID: 2534635 AMC pilot losses +1/-0     
Author:AMC Contract Same Team as Rucker
10/10/2018 10:23:42 PM

Reply to: 2534537

Nice try. The negotiating team provided by OPEIU for the AMC contract, were the same two labor organizers who negotiated the Fort Rucker contract......

Open mouth, insert foot.....

Msg ID: 2534637 AMC pilot losses +0/-0     
Author:An Army Guy
10/10/2018 10:35:07 PM

Reply to: 2534635

Oh, I thought it was a different set of guys...

and knowing's half the battle... doh!

Msg ID: 2534562 AMC pilot losses +2/-0     
Author:all ya gotta do
10/10/2018 5:40:15 PM

Reply to: 2534522

is only go for openings that have a 120 or higher ACCRA.  there are SEVERAL right now at 120 and all the way up to 160%.  only then is the pay what it should be.  so play the system and make what youre worth.  but be very careful with stipends, as they are not protected by the cba and could go away

Msg ID: 2534566 Its the 80% ACCRA guys who are living large (NT) +0/-0     
Author:you got it backwards
10/10/2018 5:58:24 PM

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Msg ID: 2534565 Join OPEIU PHPA & get a free pension & trips (NT) +0/-0     
Author:to Mardi Gras (if you are 'connected')
10/10/2018 5:56:30 PM

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Msg ID: 2534628 I doubt it +3/-2     
10/10/2018 9:30:15 PM

Reply to: 2534522

Sorry to tell you but you've blown it all out of proportion. None of you guys have the balls to either walk or strike, all for the ultimate improvement of your lives if you actually did. Instead you'd rather keep your job and sit your arse in mediocrity. Because in the end, you guys get paid to nap and sleep all day and night.

Msg ID: 2534630 I have the balls to tell you to buzz off! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:you don't get it, life is OK here
10/10/2018 9:53:10 PM

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Msg ID: 2534645 I doubt it +2/-0     
10/10/2018 11:10:57 PM

Reply to: 2534628

After 25 years with AMC I get paid pretty well.  But it's just a job, not my life.  This job allows me to do the things I really like to do when I'm off.  If you're young, learn a trade or go back to school while you work and do something you really like and makes a difference during your off time.  It's a great life!

Msg ID: 2534692 I doubt it +1/-0     
Author:It can be
10/11/2018 1:14:20 PM

Reply to: 2534645

with the right attitude and I think yours is well positioned given what you have stated.  

Msg ID: 2534679 I doubt it +4/-0     
10/11/2018 11:35:27 AM

Reply to: 2534628

'None of you guys have the balls to either walk or strike, all for the ultimate improvement of your lives if you actually did. Instead you'd rather keep your job and sit your arse in mediocrity. Because in the end, you guys get paid to nap and sleep all day and night.'.

Unfortunately, there is more than a grain of truth in those statements.  Union rep, steward for years, and most pilots didn't care about the Local until management moved to discipline them.  In their eyes, thgat was what their dues were for and paying dues and agency fees completed their obligation.  If they felt like violating the CBA,  job description, FARs, that was their preroragtive and none of the union's business. 

Support a fellow pilot?  Maybe, if they liked him and it wasn't inconvenient.  Volunteer their time for a meeting, union local work, help a fellow pilot?  No way and no way they would personally disagree with management, much less a job action to support the union.

Sign in for night duty complaining of being up all day?  Declare a plan to sleep all night? Yes to both.  

Leave a problem for the pilot relieving because the duty guy had other, non-job stuff to do?  Yep.

I worked with pilots who would be out the door preflighting before I left.  I worked with guys who drove me crazy preflighting my aircraft without notifying me before they signed in.  But I also worked, for years, with guys who I never saw preflight in any way, including the pad video cam.

The company gor the union it worked hard to get.  The pilots gets the union they work to keep.

Msg ID: 2534726 I doubt it +1/-0     
Author:Got it.
10/11/2018 6:38:03 PM

Reply to: 2534679

I remember a meeting with a couple middle manager pilot types (you know, the ones who are pilots but think they know something about managing and business) who declared they would "fight hard" to keep our base open (why?  escapes me) even though we were making the company plenty of money in excess of expenses, and I mean plenty.

Couldn't resist, dumb is dumb, and stupid is stupid, and though ya can't deal with either I just had to 'enlighten' their prominent arses to which the other three pilots piled on. 

I knew my fate was sealed but little did they know I had that in hand as well.  

I really dislike pretenders and there are a whole bunch of them in this work.


Msg ID: 2535046 As long as we get to help the patient! +0/-0     
Author:Heard that one before
10/14/2018 3:44:39 PM

Reply to: 2534726
Very patronizing.

Msg ID: 2535147 Strike +0/-0     
Author:Strike Captain
10/15/2018 12:18:23 PM

Reply to: 2534628

Strike! Strike! You guys need to go on strike. But first we are going to wait until I get my vacation or medical leave approved- I certainly don’t want to risk MY job. Union forever!

Msg ID: 2535996 AMC pilot losses +0/-0     
Author:One hopes
10/20/2018 6:57:40 PM

Reply to: 2534522

only the company wises up about human resource management FOR  REAL or things continue further in to the hole.

Msg ID: 2537109 AMC pilot losses +0/-0     
10/28/2018 8:42:18 AM

Reply to: 2534522

I had worked a company based in Concord for several years, and left in good standing. When i wanted to come back they played all kindas of high school games. It was surprising as well as a complete turn off. The main issue as i saw it was is extremely top heavy management. In the end it was best to stay out of the sanctuary of California.