HAA, with a fixed-shcedule for over a month??

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Author: What? Just day shifts? Just night? Date: 12/2/2024 6:40:29 PM +0/-0 Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or In New Window

If you are like any other HAA operator, you switch from day shifts to night shifts over the course of a month. Some, 3 (or 4) days, then 4 (or 3) nights, then off, do it again. Others, 7 days, 7 off, 7 night, 7 off. Or some regularly rotating schedule like that! Even if 14 and 14, changing each from day to night.

If you are on one of those type of schedules, you are not operating under a regularly assigned schedule, there the start and finish times are the same. That means, you don't operate under (c), but (b), and will have to be able to show (documented) the assigned 10 hours rest in the 24 hours look back as required under (d).

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Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +9/-18 There is a 10hr look back 11/29/2024 10:46:03 AM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +7/-0 yeah 11/29/2024 11:07:08 AM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +1/-0 But 11/29/2024 3:05:34 PM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +1/-1 Wow you're so smart 11/29/2024 5:28:25 PM

See, you don't get it! Maximun duty is NOT, wait for it, 14 hours. +0/-1 You can be on duty forever! 11/29/2024 6:33:49 PM

See, you don't get it! Maximun duty is NOT, wait for it, 14 hours. (NT) +0/-1 Give an example then 11/29/2024 6:41:26 PM

Example: +1/-1 Anonymous 11/29/2024 9:58:35 PM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +5/-1 135.267 11/29/2024 6:30:39 PM

NOBODY, is following (c)! You are not operating under (c) +0/-2 You are operating under (b) & (d) 11/29/2024 6:37:10 PM

NOBODY, is following (c)! You are not operating under (c) +2/-0 Wow 11/29/2024 6:48:51 PM

Sorry to burst your bubble, but .... +0/-0 FAR 135.267(c) isn't being used! 11/29/2024 9:12:28 PM

[copy and past the link] (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 11/29/2024 9:14:04 PM

I take that back... unless you are a GOM bubba (NT) +0/-0 That schedule might qualify for (c) 11/29/2024 9:40:56 PM

Your Certificate Holder chooses to operate under one or the other! +0/-0 Either (b) or (c) 11/29/2024 9:49:09 PM

Your Certificate Holder chooses to operate under one or the other! +0/-0 That's pretty cool 11/29/2024 9:58:38 PM

The FAR does not limit your duty! It does not tell the operator to put you +0/-2 on rest at 14 hours! 11/29/2024 10:03:27 PM

Nope, it is not a LIMIT! If you don't meet that, you simply operating +0/-0 under (b). There is no limit! 11/30/2024 10:10:26 AM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +0/-0 Groundhog Day again 12/1/2024 10:06:23 PM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +0/-0 Woo Hoo 11/30/2024 8:03:45 AM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +0/-0 Hmmmm..... 11/30/2024 8:10:32 AM

yeah, like the enforcement division is full of cases where they (NT) +0/-0 violated pt 91 pilot's for this. lol! 11/30/2024 8:31:42 AM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +0/-0 NOPE 11/30/2024 8:19:17 AM

Show us with a link or screenshot. (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 11/30/2024 8:28:19 AM

Well, went there and guess what.... +0/-0 Doesn't there is a 14 hr duty limit! 11/30/2024 9:33:49 AM

Well, went there and guess what.... +0/-0 like I said 11/30/2024 9:59:53 AM

and, yet, I prove you wrong everytime! (NT) +1/-0 No DUTY DAY limit! 11/30/2024 10:00:38 AM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +0/-0 This BS is why I quit, 11/30/2024 10:15:02 AM

Did you not know that it's been this way since before you (NT) +0/-0 got a pilot's license? 11/30/2024 10:30:57 AM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +0/-0 Only If... 11/30/2024 10:50:46 AM

Yes! Paragraph's (b) and (d) are paired to each other. +0/-0 And, ... 11/30/2024 11:19:16 AM

Also, it's the Certificate holder who chooses which paragraph to follow, +0/-0 not the pilot! The pilot's job is 11/30/2024 11:23:09 AM

Also, it's the Certificate holder who chooses which paragraph to follow, +0/-0 Exactly... 11/30/2024 3:15:13 PM

Also, it's the Certificate holder who chooses which paragraph to follow, +0/-0 Ok 11/30/2024 4:33:46 PM

Do you ever go from day "shifts" to night "shifts"? +0/-0 What sector do you work in? 12/2/2024 6:23:31 PM

HAA, with a fixed-shcedule for over a month?? +0/-0 What? Just day shifts? Just night? 12/2/2024 6:40:29 PM

Not to mention workover shifts at some other base with a different start/ +0/-0 finish duty time. 12/2/2024 6:43:28 PM

Also, it's the Certificate holder who chooses which paragraph to follow, +0/-0 Ok 11/30/2024 4:36:28 PM

Also, it's the Certificate holder who chooses which paragraph to follow, +0/-0 Which 12/3/2024 8:24:50 AM

No, it defines a 10 hr rest requirement, not a duty limit (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 12/4/2024 12:12:45 PM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +0/-0 Unless your GOM specifies 14hr limit 12/1/2024 10:19:18 PM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +0/-0 so if 12/1/2024 10:37:02 PM

Does your GOM reference which paragraph it operates under? (NT) +0/-0 (b) or (c)? Mine does. It's (b) 12/1/2024 10:57:47 PM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +1/-0 say wut 12/2/2024 6:50:34 AM

FAA doesn't care how long your duty day is, they care (NT) +0/-2 about your REST in a 24 hr lookback 12/2/2024 9:01:45 AM

FAA doesn't care how long your duty day is, they care +0/-0 really 12/2/2024 10:05:21 AM

Well, you can't learn everything in one day (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 12/2/2024 11:14:50 AM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! (NT) +0/-0 lol yep 12/2/2024 10:12:22 AM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +0/-0 135.267 12/2/2024 10:45:20 AM

That is not a "limit"! That does not limit your duty day! +1/-0 Just tells you what paragraph... 12/2/2024 11:01:03 AM

That is not a .... +1/-0 Anonymous 12/2/2024 11:12:52 AM

That is not a .... +0/-0 Interesting how you skipped over 12/2/2024 11:14:01 AM

Not a limitation. That's a qualifier for using (c). If you don't qualify (NT) +1/-0 then you are operating under (b) 12/2/2024 11:15:54 AM

Not a limitation. That's a qualifier for using (c). If you don't qualify +0/-1 and if I'm operating undre (b) 12/2/2024 11:17:27 AM

No.... You can't operate a Part 135 flight as PIC if your duty is >14 hrs, +1/-1 but you can be on duty as long 12/2/2024 11:22:23 AM

It literally says "duty period no more than 14 hours" (NT) +0/-0 Person who can read 12/2/2024 12:08:20 PM

If you are reading, read the whole thing! +0/-0 Anonymous 12/2/2024 12:18:31 PM

Reading -and- comprehension!! (NT) +0/-1 -- the importance of both! 12/2/2024 12:21:41 PM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +0/-0 Ground Hog Day again 12/2/2024 7:04:33 PM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +0/-0 Roy 12/2/2024 11:53:56 AM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +2/-0 You all 12/3/2024 8:23:02 AM

No it's not. It's a REST requirement, not a DUTY limitations (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 12/3/2024 11:14:12 AM

No it's not. It's a REST requirement, not a DUTY limitations +2/-0 FAA Legal 12/3/2024 11:33:46 AM

Read it! Lots of times! It assumed operating under (c) +0/-0 which you don't do not! 12/3/2024 3:06:39 PM

And, New (2013) also shows that there is no 14 hr duty limit, as things (NT) +0/-0 just revert to (b) if you ain't (c) 12/3/2024 3:24:54 PM

And, New (2013) also shows that there is no 14 hr duty limit, as things +3/-0 Ur 12/11/2024 3:14:48 PM

Read it! Lots of times! It assumed operating under (c) (NT) +0/-0 OK 12/3/2024 5:25:40 PM

Read it! Lots of times! It assumed operating under (c) +0/-0 OK 12/3/2024 5:32:46 PM

Are you always on day shifts for that year? +0/-0 Or, always on night shifts? 12/3/2024 5:58:15 PM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +1/-0 Ahi 12/19/2024 12:23:12 PM

Attention: There Is No 14/hr Duty Day Limit!! +0/-0 Well 1/1/2025 10:05:30 PM