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Correct, but RAD must approve scheduling it when you shoudl be working (NT)
Correct, but RAD must approve scheduling it when you shoudl be working (NT)
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at your base normally!
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2/20/2024 12:13:45 AM
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Hey union boy. Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but
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the CBA you speak of has this: 2/17/2024 4:56:34 PM
Hey union boy. Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but
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Just be 2/17/2024 5:04:46 PM
Hey union boy. Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but
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Wrong . 2/17/2024 6:59:54 PM
you don't get to go to recurrent training g on a normal workday
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unless and until RAD approves it 2/17/2024 7:06:21 PM
False. The final decision on when a pilot chooses to go to recurrent is
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The pilot and training department 2/17/2024 8:20:48 PM
That is not what the CBA says.
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Here is it verbadim 2/17/2024 9:54:01 PM
Definitely management. Read the whole paragraph and then para D.
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Pilot& training dept are FINAL authority 2/17/2024 10:45:25 PM
Me thinks union leader is trying to make stuff up that ain't there! (NT)
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He's like that! 2/17/2024 10:56:14 PM
ill trust the people who actually negotiated the contract and dont (NT)
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play lawyer tough guy on JH 2/18/2024 12:02:21 AM
The contract is easy to read, and it dosn't support the union leader's
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silly message to everyone 2/18/2024 12:42:26 AM
The contract is easy to read, and it support the unions (NT)
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message clearly and without dispute 2/18/2024 12:46:45 AM
Thanks for confirming the union email was correct and they (NT)
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the union is 100% in the right 2/18/2024 12:48:49 AM
How was that confirming such silliness? (NT)
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Anonymous 2/18/2024 1:47:00 AM
Sorry, but para D is only applicable after approved/scheduled, and
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Here's that language verbadim: 2/17/2024 10:55:18 PM
Point proven. Now cite where it says pilots need prior approval to
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schedule training? it doesn't 2/18/2024 12:01:06 AM
It requires approval if it is on a regular workday (shift)
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not other times! 2/18/2024 12:28:49 AM
explain the terms endeavor and attempt. does that mean required (NT)
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shall, must, etc. 2/18/2024 12:04:01 AM
It means if there are dates available and you don't take them
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you didn't endeavor to do so! 2/18/2024 12:31:00 AM
but am I required to attend only on my off week? if the RAD says no, who's (NT)
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at fault for not endeavoring? 2/18/2024 12:47:40 AM
you are! for missing opportunities you had on your (NT)
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OFF weeks. the onus is on you! 2/18/2024 11:59:57 AM
That is not what the CBA says.
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I wonder why 2/18/2024 12:09:11 AM
Thats exactly what the CBA says (NT)
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Your comprehension lacks 2/18/2024 12:20:33 AM
We should all schedule recurrent on work shifts and see how that goes (NT)
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for the RAD's. 2/18/2024 12:21:09 AM
Flood RAD's with request to go to recurrent even on our off time
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requires permission per section 17.1(4) 2/18/2024 12:24:46 AM
That was the RAD's other memo! If you are working >14 consecutive
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(which you won't be doing unless... 2/18/2024 12:36:10 AM
Nice! So I dont need prior approval of a RAD to schedule recurrent on my
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off time and I also dont need it 2/18/2024 12:44:34 AM
Nice! So I dont need prior approval of a RAD to schedule recurrent on my
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(see the blue) 2/18/2024 1:03:25 AM
That was a lot of writing just to admit your are wrong and give another (NT)
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Wrong interpretation 2/18/2024 11:56:09 AM
Not wrong. And, how did I "admit" I was? (NT)
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Anonymous 2/18/2024 12:25:42 PM
Here's the Union letter and your whiney post only support
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the Union position. Thanks! 2/18/2024 12:06:13 AM
Why doesn't the CBA specifically say scheduling requires pre-approval or
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prior approval? Answer... 2/18/2024 12:26:21 AM
It is if you are trying to schedule training on a regularly scheduled shift (NT)
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it is required then! 2/18/2024 12:33:08 AM
No, I can schedule whenever I want. It just gives a RAD the option to not
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approve the first "attempt" 2/18/2024 12:46:03 AM
There you go again making stuff up!
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It's not in the contract that way! 2/18/2024 1:10:49 AM
There you go again making stuff up!
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Skip out? 2/18/2024 1:15:05 AM
That's why you're requred to get RAD approval first!
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It their call! And, yes, skip! 2/18/2024 1:37:19 AM
That's why you're requred to get RAD approval first!
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Poor RAD 2/18/2024 1:47:36 AM
Imagine if that term was working “with” or “alongside” how much better off (NT)
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And if we just followed the CBA 2/18/2024 11:54:23 AM
RAD is trying to help you follow the CBA here, in a timelier fashion (NT)
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since you need his approval 2/18/2024 12:35:34 PM
Not what the CBA says. No preapproval needed and they have 1 shot to say no (NT)
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After that. No RAD needed 2/18/2024 11:47:13 PM
It say's very clearly in 15.1C that you do!
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Anonymous 2/19/2024 5:15:39 AM
It say's very clearly in 15.1C that you DONT! (NT)
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Self schedule when you want! 2/19/2024 7:26:50 AM
on your days off, correct! (NT)
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Anonymous 2/19/2024 8:03:48 AM
No requirement to even notify RAD when self scheduling. It’s on them
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To do their job. Mine is “self” schedule 2/20/2024 12:08:54 AM
Your job is to maintain your qualifications (NT)
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oiutsid of your 182.5 shifts per year 2/20/2024 12:12:01 AM
Your job is to maintain your qualifications
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You're real hung up on that 182.5 shifts 2/20/2024 12:18:18 AM
No it does not. And that why you are trying to filch time from the company
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by training on a normal work dya 2/20/2024 9:49:43 AM
Fact check summary:pilots don’t need prior approval to schedule, NOT (NT)
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required to attend on off time. 2/18/2024 11:57:35 AM
You need approval to attend training on a normal shift period (NT)
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approval implies it be got beforehand! 2/18/2024 12:28:57 PM
You need approval to attend training on a normal shift period
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like a lot of things at AMC 2/18/2024 1:11:19 PM
Wrong again. Post that line where it says I need preapproval before I (NT)
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Schedule my training 2/18/2024 9:36:09 PM
If you are trying to schedule training on your normal work day
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it needs to be approved 2/18/2024 10:32:45 PM
You keep leaving out the rest of the section intentionally (NT)
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No RAD needed 2/18/2024 11:47:52 PM
Summary. No RAD needed and NOT required to go on my off time (NT)
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Facts hurt feelings 2/18/2024 11:48:34 PM
Those aren't the truths! You cannot remove youself from your schedule (NT)
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without RAD permission! 2/19/2024 5:10:59 AM
The rest of the section does not remove the clear requirement that
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the RAD must approve it! 2/19/2024 5:09:44 AM
Summery. Not required to attend on time off and RAD approval not required. (NT)
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Eezy Peezy 2/19/2024 7:26:06 AM
Once again, you are required to have it approved per CBA.
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File a grievance if you think otherwise 2/19/2024 8:01:29 AM
Summary:Pilot self schedules on an on or off work day. No RAD required. (NT)
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Go on/off day is pilot choice 2/20/2024 12:07:46 AM
Correct, but RAD must approve scheduling it when you shoudl be working (NT)
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at your base normally! 2/20/2024 12:13:45 AM
Correct.No preapproval needed from RAD to train during on shift time (NT)
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CBA says so! Very clearly! 2/20/2024 2:20:19 PM
show it then! Show how it erases or eliminates the sentence
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the the RAD shall approve it! 2/20/2024 2:28:32 PM
You are the one cherry picking one sentence to support a lie (NT)
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Self schedule when I want, period! 2/20/2024 4:21:16 PM
You're not that experienced in contract arbitrations and the meaning of
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"explicitly stipulated" it seems. 2/20/2024 6:39:56 PM
You're not that experienced in contract arbitrations and the meaning of
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Ok 2/20/2024 8:25:06 PM
Why would you use a sick day on a normal day off? (NT)
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Anonymous 2/21/2024 12:24:54 PM
Big words make you look dumber than your wrong post do. No prior approval (NT)
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Required. No RAD. When I want 2/21/2024 9:10:58 AM
Grieve it and weep! You won't win the SBA arbitration (NT)
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Anonymous 2/21/2024 12:26:06 PM
Grieve it and weep! You won't win the SBA arbitration
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what if 2/21/2024 12:31:02 PM
Well, then he APPROVED it, which is required (NT)
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before you can schedule it! 2/21/2024 12:37:15 PM
Well, then he APPROVED it, which is required
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BUT BUT BUT 2/21/2024 3:40:23 PM
Working at training is not stealing them, it’s hours worked. (NT)
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No RAD needed per CBA 2/21/2024 3:55:05 PM
Working at training is not stealing them, it’s hours worked.
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Wait 2/21/2024 4:16:59 PM
Yes, report it to your RAD! Afterall, he's the APPROVAL authority (NT)
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expressedly listed in the CBA! 2/21/2024 4:52:21 PM
Hour worked in TRAINING, but your CBA hours are owed for revenue flying, (NT)
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not training! RAD approval required 2/21/2024 4:51:07 PM
Not if he approved it! Just like yoiu are not stealing my car if I've
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LET you take it for a ride! 2/21/2024 4:49:44 PM
Not if he approved it! Just like yoiu are not stealing my car if I've
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Ok 2/21/2024 11:49:22 PM
Nope, nor can you conduct training either. And, you still need RAD approval (NT)
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to go to training on a regular work day 2/22/2024 1:50:35 PM