The contract is easy to read, and it dosn't support the union leader's

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Author: silly message to everyone Date: 2/18/2024 12:42:26 AM +0/-1 Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or In New Window

You need RAD's approval to schedule recurrent training on your regular shift days! It is a very clear and explicit requirement in 15.1 C, no matter how much you try to tap dance around it!

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Hey union boy. Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but +1/-1 the CBA you speak of has this: 2/17/2024 4:56:34 PM

Hey union boy. Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but +0/-1 Just be 2/17/2024 5:04:46 PM

Hey union boy. Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but +1/-0 Wrong . 2/17/2024 6:59:54 PM

you don't get to go to recurrent training g on a normal workday +0/-1 unless and until RAD approves it 2/17/2024 7:06:21 PM

False. The final decision on when a pilot chooses to go to recurrent is +1/-0 The pilot and training department 2/17/2024 8:20:48 PM

That is not what the CBA says. +0/-0 Here is it verbadim 2/17/2024 9:54:01 PM

Definitely management. Read the whole paragraph and then para D. +1/-0 Pilot& training dept are FINAL authority 2/17/2024 10:45:25 PM

Me thinks union leader is trying to make stuff up that ain't there! (NT) +2/-1 He's like that! 2/17/2024 10:56:14 PM

ill trust the people who actually negotiated the contract and dont (NT) +1/-0 play lawyer tough guy on JH 2/18/2024 12:02:21 AM

The contract is easy to read, and it dosn't support the union leader's +0/-1 silly message to everyone 2/18/2024 12:42:26 AM

The contract is easy to read, and it support the unions (NT) +0/-1 message clearly and without dispute 2/18/2024 12:46:45 AM

Thanks for confirming the union email was correct and they (NT) +1/-0 the union is 100% in the right 2/18/2024 12:48:49 AM

How was that confirming such silliness? (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 2/18/2024 1:47:00 AM

Sorry, but para D is only applicable after approved/scheduled, and +0/-1 Here's that language verbadim: 2/17/2024 10:55:18 PM

Point proven. Now cite where it says pilots need prior approval to +1/-0 schedule training? it doesn't 2/18/2024 12:01:06 AM

It requires approval if it is on a regular workday (shift) +0/-0 not other times! 2/18/2024 12:28:49 AM

explain the terms endeavor and attempt. does that mean required (NT) +1/-0 shall, must, etc. 2/18/2024 12:04:01 AM

It means if there are dates available and you don't take them +0/-1 you didn't endeavor to do so! 2/18/2024 12:31:00 AM

but am I required to attend only on my off week? if the RAD says no, who's (NT) +1/-0 at fault for not endeavoring? 2/18/2024 12:47:40 AM

you are! for missing opportunities you had on your (NT) +0/-0 OFF weeks. the onus is on you! 2/18/2024 11:59:57 AM

That is not what the CBA says. +0/-0 I wonder why 2/18/2024 12:09:11 AM

Thats exactly what the CBA says (NT) +0/-0 Your comprehension lacks 2/18/2024 12:20:33 AM

We should all schedule recurrent on work shifts and see how that goes (NT) +0/-0 for the RAD's. 2/18/2024 12:21:09 AM

Flood RAD's with request to go to recurrent even on our off time +2/-0 requires permission per section 17.1(4) 2/18/2024 12:24:46 AM

That was the RAD's other memo! If you are working >14 consecutive +0/-1 (which you won't be doing unless... 2/18/2024 12:36:10 AM

Nice! So I dont need prior approval of a RAD to schedule recurrent on my +1/-0 off time and I also dont need it 2/18/2024 12:44:34 AM

Nice! So I dont need prior approval of a RAD to schedule recurrent on my +0/-0 (see the blue) 2/18/2024 1:03:25 AM

That was a lot of writing just to admit your are wrong and give another (NT) +0/-0 Wrong interpretation 2/18/2024 11:56:09 AM

Not wrong. And, how did I "admit" I was? (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 2/18/2024 12:25:42 PM

Here's the Union letter and your whiney post only support +1/-0 the Union position. Thanks! 2/18/2024 12:06:13 AM

Why doesn't the CBA specifically say scheduling requires pre-approval or +1/-0 prior approval? Answer... 2/18/2024 12:26:21 AM

It is if you are trying to schedule training on a regularly scheduled shift (NT) +0/-1 it is required then! 2/18/2024 12:33:08 AM

No, I can schedule whenever I want. It just gives a RAD the option to not +1/-0 approve the first "attempt" 2/18/2024 12:46:03 AM

There you go again making stuff up! +0/-0 It's not in the contract that way! 2/18/2024 1:10:49 AM

There you go again making stuff up! +0/-0 Skip out? 2/18/2024 1:15:05 AM

That's why you're requred to get RAD approval first! +0/-0 It their call! And, yes, skip! 2/18/2024 1:37:19 AM

That's why you're requred to get RAD approval first! +0/-0 Poor RAD 2/18/2024 1:47:36 AM

Imagine if that term was working �with� or �alongside� how much better off (NT) +0/-0 And if we just followed the CBA 2/18/2024 11:54:23 AM

RAD is trying to help you follow the CBA here, in a timelier fashion (NT) +0/-0 since you need his approval 2/18/2024 12:35:34 PM

Not what the CBA says. No preapproval needed and they have 1 shot to say no (NT) +0/-0 After that. No RAD needed 2/18/2024 11:47:13 PM

It say's very clearly in 15.1C that you do! +0/-0 Anonymous 2/19/2024 5:15:39 AM

It say's very clearly in 15.1C that you DONT! (NT) +0/-0 Self schedule when you want! 2/19/2024 7:26:50 AM

on your days off, correct! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 2/19/2024 8:03:48 AM

No requirement to even notify RAD when self scheduling. It�s on them +0/-0 To do their job. Mine is �self� schedule 2/20/2024 12:08:54 AM

Your job is to maintain your qualifications (NT) +0/-0 oiutsid of your 182.5 shifts per year 2/20/2024 12:12:01 AM

Your job is to maintain your qualifications +0/-0 You're real hung up on that 182.5 shifts 2/20/2024 12:18:18 AM

No it does not. And that why you are trying to filch time from the company +0/-0 by training on a normal work dya 2/20/2024 9:49:43 AM

Fact check summary:pilots don�t need prior approval to schedule, NOT (NT) +0/-0 required to attend on off time. 2/18/2024 11:57:35 AM

You need approval to attend training on a normal shift period (NT) +0/-1 approval implies it be got beforehand! 2/18/2024 12:28:57 PM

You need approval to attend training on a normal shift period +0/-0 like a lot of things at AMC 2/18/2024 1:11:19 PM

Wrong again. Post that line where it says I need preapproval before I (NT) +0/-0 Schedule my training 2/18/2024 9:36:09 PM

If you are trying to schedule training on your normal work day +0/-0 it needs to be approved 2/18/2024 10:32:45 PM

You keep leaving out the rest of the section intentionally (NT) +0/-0 No RAD needed 2/18/2024 11:47:52 PM

Summary. No RAD needed and NOT required to go on my off time (NT) +0/-0 Facts hurt feelings 2/18/2024 11:48:34 PM

Those aren't the truths! You cannot remove youself from your schedule (NT) +0/-0 without RAD permission! 2/19/2024 5:10:59 AM

The rest of the section does not remove the clear requirement that +0/-0 the RAD must approve it! 2/19/2024 5:09:44 AM

Summery. Not required to attend on time off and RAD approval not required. (NT) +0/-0 Eezy Peezy 2/19/2024 7:26:06 AM

Once again, you are required to have it approved per CBA. +0/-0 File a grievance if you think otherwise 2/19/2024 8:01:29 AM

Summary:Pilot self schedules on an on or off work day. No RAD required. (NT) +0/-0 Go on/off day is pilot choice 2/20/2024 12:07:46 AM

Correct, but RAD must approve scheduling it when you shoudl be working (NT) +0/-0 at your base normally! 2/20/2024 12:13:45 AM

Correct.No preapproval needed from RAD to train during on shift time (NT) +0/-0 CBA says so! Very clearly! 2/20/2024 2:20:19 PM

show it then! Show how it erases or eliminates the sentence +0/-0 the the RAD shall approve it! 2/20/2024 2:28:32 PM

You are the one cherry picking one sentence to support a lie (NT) +1/-0 Self schedule when I want, period! 2/20/2024 4:21:16 PM

You're not that experienced in contract arbitrations and the meaning of +0/-0 "explicitly stipulated" it seems. 2/20/2024 6:39:56 PM

You're not that experienced in contract arbitrations and the meaning of +0/-0 Ok 2/20/2024 8:25:06 PM

Why would you use a sick day on a normal day off? (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 2/21/2024 12:24:54 PM

Big words make you look dumber than your wrong post do. No prior approval (NT) +0/-0 Required. No RAD. When I want 2/21/2024 9:10:58 AM

Grieve it and weep! You won't win the SBA arbitration (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 2/21/2024 12:26:06 PM

Grieve it and weep! You won't win the SBA arbitration +0/-0 what if 2/21/2024 12:31:02 PM

Well, then he APPROVED it, which is required (NT) +0/-0 before you can schedule it! 2/21/2024 12:37:15 PM

Well, then he APPROVED it, which is required +0/-0 BUT BUT BUT 2/21/2024 3:40:23 PM

Working at training is not stealing them, it�s hours worked. (NT) +0/-0 No RAD needed per CBA 2/21/2024 3:55:05 PM

Working at training is not stealing them, it�s hours worked. +0/-0 Wait 2/21/2024 4:16:59 PM

Yes, report it to your RAD! Afterall, he's the APPROVAL authority (NT) +0/-0 expressedly listed in the CBA! 2/21/2024 4:52:21 PM

Hour worked in TRAINING, but your CBA hours are owed for revenue flying, (NT) +0/-0 not training! RAD approval required 2/21/2024 4:51:07 PM

Not if he approved it! Just like yoiu are not stealing my car if I've +0/-0 LET you take it for a ride! 2/21/2024 4:49:44 PM

Not if he approved it! Just like yoiu are not stealing my car if I've +0/-0 Ok 2/21/2024 11:49:22 PM

Nope, nor can you conduct training either. And, you still need RAD approval (NT) +0/-0 to go to training on a regular work day 2/22/2024 1:50:35 PM