Flood RAD's with request to go to recurrent even on our off time

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Author: requires permission per section 17.1(4) Date: 2/18/2024 12:24:46 AM +2/-0 Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or In New Window

anytime you work more than 14 days straight you have to have RAD approval. recurrent is 19 days straight. So, lets all flood their emails with request. When they deny it and you go uncurrent, they will be liable and have to explain why to the company and to your lawyer. I bet the Pilot wins that case.

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Hey union boy. Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but +1/-1 the CBA you speak of has this: 2/17/2024 4:56:34 PM

Hey union boy. Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but +0/-1 Just be 2/17/2024 5:04:46 PM

Hey union boy. Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but +1/-0 Wrong . 2/17/2024 6:59:54 PM

you don't get to go to recurrent training g on a normal workday +0/-1 unless and until RAD approves it 2/17/2024 7:06:21 PM

False. The final decision on when a pilot chooses to go to recurrent is +1/-0 The pilot and training department 2/17/2024 8:20:48 PM

That is not what the CBA says. +0/-0 Here is it verbadim 2/17/2024 9:54:01 PM

Definitely management. Read the whole paragraph and then para D. +1/-0 Pilot& training dept are FINAL authority 2/17/2024 10:45:25 PM

Me thinks union leader is trying to make stuff up that ain't there! (NT) +2/-1 He's like that! 2/17/2024 10:56:14 PM

ill trust the people who actually negotiated the contract and dont (NT) +1/-0 play lawyer tough guy on JH 2/18/2024 12:02:21 AM

The contract is easy to read, and it dosn't support the union leader's +0/-1 silly message to everyone 2/18/2024 12:42:26 AM

The contract is easy to read, and it support the unions (NT) +0/-1 message clearly and without dispute 2/18/2024 12:46:45 AM

Thanks for confirming the union email was correct and they (NT) +1/-0 the union is 100% in the right 2/18/2024 12:48:49 AM

How was that confirming such silliness? (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 2/18/2024 1:47:00 AM

Sorry, but para D is only applicable after approved/scheduled, and +0/-1 Here's that language verbadim: 2/17/2024 10:55:18 PM

Point proven. Now cite where it says pilots need prior approval to +1/-0 schedule training? it doesn't 2/18/2024 12:01:06 AM

It requires approval if it is on a regular workday (shift) +0/-0 not other times! 2/18/2024 12:28:49 AM

explain the terms endeavor and attempt. does that mean required (NT) +1/-0 shall, must, etc. 2/18/2024 12:04:01 AM

It means if there are dates available and you don't take them +0/-1 you didn't endeavor to do so! 2/18/2024 12:31:00 AM

but am I required to attend only on my off week? if the RAD says no, who's (NT) +1/-0 at fault for not endeavoring? 2/18/2024 12:47:40 AM

you are! for missing opportunities you had on your (NT) +0/-0 OFF weeks. the onus is on you! 2/18/2024 11:59:57 AM

That is not what the CBA says. +0/-0 I wonder why 2/18/2024 12:09:11 AM

Thats exactly what the CBA says (NT) +0/-0 Your comprehension lacks 2/18/2024 12:20:33 AM

We should all schedule recurrent on work shifts and see how that goes (NT) +0/-0 for the RAD's. 2/18/2024 12:21:09 AM

Flood RAD's with request to go to recurrent even on our off time +2/-0 requires permission per section 17.1(4) 2/18/2024 12:24:46 AM

That was the RAD's other memo! If you are working >14 consecutive +0/-1 (which you won't be doing unless... 2/18/2024 12:36:10 AM

Nice! So I dont need prior approval of a RAD to schedule recurrent on my +1/-0 off time and I also dont need it 2/18/2024 12:44:34 AM

Nice! So I dont need prior approval of a RAD to schedule recurrent on my +0/-0 (see the blue) 2/18/2024 1:03:25 AM

That was a lot of writing just to admit your are wrong and give another (NT) +0/-0 Wrong interpretation 2/18/2024 11:56:09 AM

Not wrong. And, how did I "admit" I was? (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 2/18/2024 12:25:42 PM

Here's the Union letter and your whiney post only support +1/-0 the Union position. Thanks! 2/18/2024 12:06:13 AM

Why doesn't the CBA specifically say scheduling requires pre-approval or +1/-0 prior approval? Answer... 2/18/2024 12:26:21 AM

It is if you are trying to schedule training on a regularly scheduled shift (NT) +0/-1 it is required then! 2/18/2024 12:33:08 AM

No, I can schedule whenever I want. It just gives a RAD the option to not +1/-0 approve the first "attempt" 2/18/2024 12:46:03 AM

There you go again making stuff up! +0/-0 It's not in the contract that way! 2/18/2024 1:10:49 AM

There you go again making stuff up! +0/-0 Skip out? 2/18/2024 1:15:05 AM

That's why you're requred to get RAD approval first! +0/-0 It their call! And, yes, skip! 2/18/2024 1:37:19 AM

That's why you're requred to get RAD approval first! +0/-0 Poor RAD 2/18/2024 1:47:36 AM

Imagine if that term was working �with� or �alongside� how much better off (NT) +0/-0 And if we just followed the CBA 2/18/2024 11:54:23 AM

RAD is trying to help you follow the CBA here, in a timelier fashion (NT) +0/-0 since you need his approval 2/18/2024 12:35:34 PM

Not what the CBA says. No preapproval needed and they have 1 shot to say no (NT) +0/-0 After that. No RAD needed 2/18/2024 11:47:13 PM

It say's very clearly in 15.1C that you do! +0/-0 Anonymous 2/19/2024 5:15:39 AM

It say's very clearly in 15.1C that you DONT! (NT) +0/-0 Self schedule when you want! 2/19/2024 7:26:50 AM

on your days off, correct! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 2/19/2024 8:03:48 AM

No requirement to even notify RAD when self scheduling. It�s on them +0/-0 To do their job. Mine is �self� schedule 2/20/2024 12:08:54 AM

Your job is to maintain your qualifications (NT) +0/-0 oiutsid of your 182.5 shifts per year 2/20/2024 12:12:01 AM

Your job is to maintain your qualifications +0/-0 You're real hung up on that 182.5 shifts 2/20/2024 12:18:18 AM

No it does not. And that why you are trying to filch time from the company +0/-0 by training on a normal work dya 2/20/2024 9:49:43 AM

Fact check summary:pilots don�t need prior approval to schedule, NOT (NT) +0/-0 required to attend on off time. 2/18/2024 11:57:35 AM

You need approval to attend training on a normal shift period (NT) +0/-1 approval implies it be got beforehand! 2/18/2024 12:28:57 PM

You need approval to attend training on a normal shift period +0/-0 like a lot of things at AMC 2/18/2024 1:11:19 PM

Wrong again. Post that line where it says I need preapproval before I (NT) +0/-0 Schedule my training 2/18/2024 9:36:09 PM

If you are trying to schedule training on your normal work day +0/-0 it needs to be approved 2/18/2024 10:32:45 PM

You keep leaving out the rest of the section intentionally (NT) +0/-0 No RAD needed 2/18/2024 11:47:52 PM

Summary. No RAD needed and NOT required to go on my off time (NT) +0/-0 Facts hurt feelings 2/18/2024 11:48:34 PM

Those aren't the truths! You cannot remove youself from your schedule (NT) +0/-0 without RAD permission! 2/19/2024 5:10:59 AM

The rest of the section does not remove the clear requirement that +0/-0 the RAD must approve it! 2/19/2024 5:09:44 AM

Summery. Not required to attend on time off and RAD approval not required. (NT) +0/-0 Eezy Peezy 2/19/2024 7:26:06 AM

Once again, you are required to have it approved per CBA. +0/-0 File a grievance if you think otherwise 2/19/2024 8:01:29 AM

Summary:Pilot self schedules on an on or off work day. No RAD required. (NT) +0/-0 Go on/off day is pilot choice 2/20/2024 12:07:46 AM

Correct, but RAD must approve scheduling it when you shoudl be working (NT) +0/-0 at your base normally! 2/20/2024 12:13:45 AM

Correct.No preapproval needed from RAD to train during on shift time (NT) +0/-0 CBA says so! Very clearly! 2/20/2024 2:20:19 PM

show it then! Show how it erases or eliminates the sentence +0/-0 the the RAD shall approve it! 2/20/2024 2:28:32 PM

You are the one cherry picking one sentence to support a lie (NT) +1/-0 Self schedule when I want, period! 2/20/2024 4:21:16 PM

You're not that experienced in contract arbitrations and the meaning of +0/-0 "explicitly stipulated" it seems. 2/20/2024 6:39:56 PM

You're not that experienced in contract arbitrations and the meaning of +0/-0 Ok 2/20/2024 8:25:06 PM

Why would you use a sick day on a normal day off? (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 2/21/2024 12:24:54 PM

Big words make you look dumber than your wrong post do. No prior approval (NT) +0/-0 Required. No RAD. When I want 2/21/2024 9:10:58 AM

Grieve it and weep! You won't win the SBA arbitration (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 2/21/2024 12:26:06 PM

Grieve it and weep! You won't win the SBA arbitration +0/-0 what if 2/21/2024 12:31:02 PM

Well, then he APPROVED it, which is required (NT) +0/-0 before you can schedule it! 2/21/2024 12:37:15 PM

Well, then he APPROVED it, which is required +0/-0 BUT BUT BUT 2/21/2024 3:40:23 PM

Working at training is not stealing them, it�s hours worked. (NT) +0/-0 No RAD needed per CBA 2/21/2024 3:55:05 PM

Working at training is not stealing them, it�s hours worked. +0/-0 Wait 2/21/2024 4:16:59 PM

Yes, report it to your RAD! Afterall, he's the APPROVAL authority (NT) +0/-0 expressedly listed in the CBA! 2/21/2024 4:52:21 PM

Hour worked in TRAINING, but your CBA hours are owed for revenue flying, (NT) +0/-0 not training! RAD approval required 2/21/2024 4:51:07 PM

Not if he approved it! Just like yoiu are not stealing my car if I've +0/-0 LET you take it for a ride! 2/21/2024 4:49:44 PM

Not if he approved it! Just like yoiu are not stealing my car if I've +0/-0 Ok 2/21/2024 11:49:22 PM

Nope, nor can you conduct training either. And, you still need RAD approval (NT) +0/-0 to go to training on a regular work day 2/22/2024 1:50:35 PM