If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO?

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Author: Let's put this in perspective... Date: 3/6/2023 5:43:51 PM +2/-0 Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or In New Window

You fly for an on-demand 135 operator. A rich guy calls and says he wants a helicopter to take him to the Super Bowl stadium. On the day of the game it's raining but well above your wx minimums so you're ready to go. The guy calls you and says he doesn't want to fly because of the weather.

Has he exercised operational control?

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If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-15 Is it the 2/28/2023 9:46:06 AM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +3/-2 Genexer 2/28/2023 9:58:46 AM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +19/-1 No big deal 2/28/2023 10:24:57 AM

This is the right answer +0/-0 document everything 3/7/2023 4:12:31 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +5/-1 Think 2/28/2023 10:58:04 AM

that wasn't the question (NT) +1/-0 Anonymous 2/28/2023 11:18:03 AM

"... who has the authority to say GO?" B - Pilot In Command, period. +10/-1 olderendirt 2/28/2023 11:07:23 AM

so, if the pic says GO, he's the final authority? (NT) +1/-2 Anonymous 2/28/2023 11:19:30 AM

so, if the pic says GO, he's the final authority? +4/-0 Maverick 2/28/2023 12:54:48 PM

so, if the pic says GO, he's the final authority? +5/-1 olderendirt 2/28/2023 1:21:07 PM

hop aboard then, by the power invested in me as you pic (NT) +0/-0 I say we are a GO! 2/28/2023 8:40:48 PM

"... who has the authority to say GO?" B - Pilot In Command, period. +4/-0 Very 2/28/2023 11:22:05 AM

what if one of the others says NO, does he still have the (NT) +0/-0 authority to say GO? 2/28/2023 11:24:57 AM

what if one of the others says NO, does he still have the +6/-0 Ok 2/28/2023 12:45:40 PM

what if one of the others says NO, does he still have the +0/-1 olderendirt 2/28/2023 1:27:24 PM

So, if one person can say NO, is that final authority if the PIC says YES? (NT) +0/-1 Anonymous 2/28/2023 3:29:29 PM

"... who has the authority to say GO?" B - Pilot In Command, period. +0/-0 Maverick 2/28/2023 5:45:08 PM

Here, hold my smoothie, watch this: I say NO! (NT) +0/-0 [PIC can take his GO and stick it] 3/4/2023 11:25:53 AM

That doesn�t apply to HAA flights +0/-2 Operational Control has final authority 2/28/2023 12:12:53 PM

That doesn�t apply to HAA flights +3/-0 Seriously bro? lol 2/28/2023 12:48:32 PM

"... who has the authority to say GO?" B - Pilot In Command, period. +0/-0 been there too many times 3/7/2023 3:54:59 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +1/-0 They all can say go but 2/28/2023 12:28:06 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0 Ok 2/28/2023 2:17:39 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +2/-0 Slick 2/28/2023 2:20:29 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-1 EMS 2/28/2023 2:36:49 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +2/-1 olderendirt 2/28/2023 2:52:17 PM

Had one tell me where I needed to go to get fuel +0/-0 after I picked another place. 2/28/2023 3:26:27 PM

Had one tell me where I needed to go to get fuel +0/-0 lol 2/28/2023 3:42:46 PM

why justify a flight to go if SOMONE says NO? +0/-1 who cares really???? 2/28/2023 3:54:34 PM

so who had the authority then? ultimately? (NT) +1/-0 is this how we raise children? 2/28/2023 5:09:58 PM

they were putting in a second iv line (NT) +0/-0 bro 2/28/2023 5:07:21 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0 I see 2/28/2023 4:47:43 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +2/-0 The phrase was made up by 2/28/2023 6:11:16 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0 yeah but 2/28/2023 6:23:23 PM

How long have you been in (NT) +1/-0 middle management? 2/28/2023 7:28:41 PM

How long have you been in +0/-0 Line pilot 2/28/2023 9:36:32 PM

How long have you been in +1/-0 Don't care.... 3/1/2023 9:54:15 AM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0 THis just happened at phi health �. 2/28/2023 10:22:22 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0 what just happened at PHI 3/1/2023 7:27:55 AM

One to say NO.... Pilot: NO, I don't think you medical types +2/-0 can handle this patient, so NO 3/1/2023 9:09:11 AM

One to say NO.... Pilot: NO, I don't think you medical types +0/-1 yeah bro 3/1/2023 9:11:49 AM

They do it for weather! One didn't like flying when it was blowing 15kts (NT) +0/-0 or more, made her a bit airsick! 3/1/2023 9:45:34 AM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +3/-0 Oh well.... 3/1/2023 9:17:40 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0 It's not worth the arguement he says 3/1/2023 9:34:33 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +1/-0 Sounds good. 3/1/2023 11:13:28 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-1 sure 3/1/2023 11:25:02 PM

This thread demonstrates just how dumb "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" (NT) +0/-0 really is. PIC doesn't final nothing! 3/2/2023 10:22:50 AM

This thread demonstrates just how dumb "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" +0/-1 it's really not that 3/2/2023 10:39:08 AM

Yeah, I get it, he's not the final authority (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 3/2/2023 12:37:52 PM

Yeah, I get it, he's not the final authority +0/-1 sure he is 3/2/2023 12:55:50 PM

Yeah, so he flys it because he determined it was completely safe, and prove (NT) +2/-0 giving med crews opcon is stupid! 3/2/2023 8:50:00 PM

This thread demonstrates just how dumb "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" +1/-0 you are correct bro... 3/2/2023 12:40:20 PM

This thread demonstrates just how dumb "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" +0/-1 it's hilarious 3/2/2023 12:57:57 PM

It's not "confusing", it's simply a contradiction (NT) +1/-0 a logical paradox. An inanity! 3/3/2023 8:34:46 AM

We're back to PIC really isn't the final authority (NT) +0/-0 at all! 3/2/2023 8:51:43 PM

We're back to PIC really isn't the final authority +0/-1 Not we 3/4/2023 7:41:14 AM

WE! If you're medic can say NO, you are not the final authority on this (NT) +1/-0 flight, even if you say GO! 3/4/2023 7:42:42 AM

WE! If you're medic can say NO, you are not the final authority on this +0/-1 final authority does not mean 3/4/2023 2:41:51 PM

And the PICs GO is meaningless without both medical crewmembers, making the +1/-0 PIC not the final authority.... 3/4/2023 7:33:40 AM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +1/-0 After reading this thread 3/2/2023 7:04:16 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-1 say wut 3/2/2023 7:21:12 PM

Whatever...it's not working very well. (NT) +1/-0 Anonymous 3/2/2023 10:10:21 PM

Whatever...it's not working very well. +1/-1 the intent is not to necessarily 3/3/2023 11:47:08 AM

"is there gong to be fog tonight, hopefully, it's looking foggy (NT) +1/-0 I've got to pick up my kids in the AM" 3/3/2023 11:57:45 AM

"is there gong to be fog tonight, hopefully, it's looking foggy +1/-0 it can be abused by med crew 3/3/2023 12:03:27 PM

when they aren't qualified to make a weather decision, they shouldn't be (NT) +1/-0 given final authority to decide it! 3/3/2023 12:26:00 PM

when they aren't qualified to make a weather decision, they shouldn't be +0/-0 technically,they aren't making the call 3/3/2023 12:30:54 PM

when they aren't qualified to make a weather decision, they shouldn't be +0/-1 as I said 3/3/2023 12:35:43 PM

I SAID NO, and that's my final answer! +0/-1 You can't make me! 3/3/2023 1:50:36 PM

I SAID NO, and that's my final answer! +1/-0 what if you 3/3/2023 2:08:56 PM

I SAID NO, and that's my final answer! +0/-1 the med crew only has authority 3/3/2023 2:16:25 PM

yeah, sure, keep believing that! If what you say is true, then it's not (NT) +1/-0 3-to-go! 3/3/2023 2:23:15 PM

yeah, sure, keep believing that! If what you say is true, then it's not +0/-1 it's true bro 3/3/2023 3:01:19 PM

The mechanic on the oil platform is not a crewmember and the flight isn't +1/-0 a holding out to the public either! 3/3/2023 3:20:42 PM

Look at it this way... 2 mechanics on an oil platform +0/-0 need to get to another platform, and 3/3/2023 3:25:48 PM

Look at it this way... 2 mechanics on an oil platform +0/-1 uh no 3/3/2023 3:33:35 PM

No I can't, it was a 3-to-GO rule! You gave the one the authority to say NO (NT) +1/-0 .... remember? 3/3/2023 3:45:12 PM

No I can't, it was a 3-to-GO rule! You gave the one the authority to say NO +0/-1 since the flight can happen 3/3/2023 3:55:37 PM

It tells me that the "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" rule means the PIC is not the (NT) +1/-0 final authority, & the rule is absurd! 3/3/2023 5:18:08 PM

It tells me that the "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" rule means the PIC is not the +0/-1 It�s not 3/3/2023 5:29:43 PM

I'm all for that! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 3/3/2023 2:21:30 PM

I'm all for that! +1/-0 Ok 3/3/2023 4:25:31 PM

Here's what I'd like to do sometime.... +1/-0 We're going to have to intubate here 3/3/2023 4:32:26 PM

Here's what I'd like to do sometime.... +1/-0 so do it 3/3/2023 9:47:09 PM

Here's what I'd like to do sometime.... +0/-1 you should do that 3/4/2023 2:17:11 AM

Can't, because I'm not the final authority! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 3/4/2023 6:46:49 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-1 it's a great system.... 3/4/2023 10:53:40 AM

meanwhile...the comp comes 30 miles in CAVU weather to fly not just 1 but 2 +1/-0 flights & earn a preferred status 3/4/2023 11:13:24 AM

not my problem the crew keeps cancelling... (NT) +0/-0 the paychecks keep cashing 3/4/2023 12:09:28 PM

until they don't when the base closes for no volume (NT) +1/-0 sort srt of is your problem. 3/4/2023 5:56:45 PM

So far, so good. Lots of jobs out there. (NT) +0/-1 Earn money sleeping. 3/4/2023 7:01:48 PM

so I should plan on moving because some non-PIC is causing missed FLTs that (NT) +0/-0 PIC said could have been completed?? 3/5/2023 1:59:30 PM

so I should plan on moving because some non-PIC is causing missed FLTs that (NT) +0/-0 Yep 3/5/2023 2:40:41 PM

now we're back to the start. PIC is not the final authority (NT) +0/-0 to say GO 3/5/2023 7:47:24 PM

now we're back to the start. PIC is not the final authority +0/-0 yes that's true 3/5/2023 9:30:50 PM

That means he doesn't have authority to initiate a flight since he needs +0/-0 the other two to initiate it also 3/5/2023 10:03:47 PM

That means he doesn't have authority to initiate a flight since he needs +0/-0 no 3/5/2023 10:14:34 PM

Not exactly what happens! They find a standby or extend someone to get it +0/-0 done! FA's don't cancel fligths 3/5/2023 10:38:21 PM

That means he doesn't have authority to initiate a flight since he needs +0/-0 the pilot doesn't need med crew 3/5/2023 10:30:55 PM

"I'm not comfortable flying because it's windy" (NT) +0/-0 is an operational decision! 3/5/2023 10:41:22 PM

"I'm not comfortable flying because it's windy" +0/-0 no it�s 3/5/2023 10:42:55 PM

Except they aren't passengers! They are crewmembers! Getting paid to work (NT) +0/-0 on a helicoper air ambulance! 3/5/2023 10:44:10 PM

Except they aren't passengers! They are crewmembers! Getting paid to work +0/-0 Single pilot 3/5/2023 11:01:02 PM

didn't call the flight crewmembers, but crewmembers! +0/-0 and the do get recurring training... 3/6/2023 12:10:37 AM

didn't call the flight crewmembers, but crewmembers! +0/-0 All documented 3/6/2023 2:40:37 AM

didn't call the flight crewmembers, but crewmembers! +0/-0 Not one of those dumb things 3/6/2023 3:02:17 AM

Acting as a trained required crewmember for HNVGO ops is nothing +0/-0 to do with operating an aircraft? 3/6/2023 9:33:16 AM

Acting as a trained required crewmember for HNVGO ops is nothing +0/-0 putting some goggles on your head 3/6/2023 9:55:50 AM

Acting as a trained required crewmember for HNVGO ops is nothing +0/-0 the FAA does not recognize them 3/6/2023 10:01:58 AM

Yeah, but they do! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 3/6/2023 10:33:48 PM

Yeah, but they do! +0/-0 saying they do 3/7/2023 11:20:11 AM

does your company's GOM describe the duties of medical +0/-0 folks on the aircraft?? if yes, then 3/7/2023 4:08:17 PM

does your company's med crews do nothing +0/-0 but play on their phones from 3/8/2023 3:44:46 AM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +2/-0 Let's put this in perspective... 3/6/2023 5:43:51 PM

Your perspective is a bit out of focus, you might need to check your +1/-0 perscription! Here's the scoop 3/6/2023 10:42:01 PM

Your perspective is a bit out of focus, you might need to check your +0/-0 the rich guy 3/7/2023 12:25:47 AM

dies the customer paying for it know there are other (NT) +0/-0 customers riding along on his dime then? 3/7/2023 12:50:00 AM

The Rich Guy Still Wants to Go, So he Calls your (NT) +0/-0 competition, and they earn his business 3/6/2023 11:17:32 PM

The Rich Guy Still Wants to Go, So he Calls your +0/-1 boring 3/10/2023 10:53:18 PM