now we're back to the start. PIC is not the final authority

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Author: yes that's true Date: 3/5/2023 9:30:50 PM +0/-0 Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or In New Window

and always has been. PIC responsibility starts once everybody agrees to go and are at the aircraft.

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If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-15 Is it the 2/28/2023 9:46:06 AM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +3/-2 Genexer 2/28/2023 9:58:46 AM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +19/-1 No big deal 2/28/2023 10:24:57 AM

This is the right answer +0/-0 document everything 3/7/2023 4:12:31 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +5/-1 Think 2/28/2023 10:58:04 AM

that wasn't the question (NT) +1/-0 Anonymous 2/28/2023 11:18:03 AM

"... who has the authority to say GO?" B - Pilot In Command, period. +10/-1 olderendirt 2/28/2023 11:07:23 AM

so, if the pic says GO, he's the final authority? (NT) +1/-2 Anonymous 2/28/2023 11:19:30 AM

so, if the pic says GO, he's the final authority? +4/-0 Maverick 2/28/2023 12:54:48 PM

so, if the pic says GO, he's the final authority? +5/-1 olderendirt 2/28/2023 1:21:07 PM

hop aboard then, by the power invested in me as you pic (NT) +0/-0 I say we are a GO! 2/28/2023 8:40:48 PM

"... who has the authority to say GO?" B - Pilot In Command, period. +4/-0 Very 2/28/2023 11:22:05 AM

what if one of the others says NO, does he still have the (NT) +0/-0 authority to say GO? 2/28/2023 11:24:57 AM

what if one of the others says NO, does he still have the +6/-0 Ok 2/28/2023 12:45:40 PM

what if one of the others says NO, does he still have the +0/-1 olderendirt 2/28/2023 1:27:24 PM

So, if one person can say NO, is that final authority if the PIC says YES? (NT) +0/-1 Anonymous 2/28/2023 3:29:29 PM

"... who has the authority to say GO?" B - Pilot In Command, period. +0/-0 Maverick 2/28/2023 5:45:08 PM

Here, hold my smoothie, watch this: I say NO! (NT) +0/-0 [PIC can take his GO and stick it] 3/4/2023 11:25:53 AM

That doesn�t apply to HAA flights +0/-2 Operational Control has final authority 2/28/2023 12:12:53 PM

That doesn�t apply to HAA flights +3/-0 Seriously bro? lol 2/28/2023 12:48:32 PM

"... who has the authority to say GO?" B - Pilot In Command, period. +0/-0 been there too many times 3/7/2023 3:54:59 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +1/-0 They all can say go but 2/28/2023 12:28:06 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0 Ok 2/28/2023 2:17:39 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +2/-0 Slick 2/28/2023 2:20:29 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-1 EMS 2/28/2023 2:36:49 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +2/-1 olderendirt 2/28/2023 2:52:17 PM

Had one tell me where I needed to go to get fuel +0/-0 after I picked another place. 2/28/2023 3:26:27 PM

Had one tell me where I needed to go to get fuel +0/-0 lol 2/28/2023 3:42:46 PM

why justify a flight to go if SOMONE says NO? +0/-1 who cares really???? 2/28/2023 3:54:34 PM

so who had the authority then? ultimately? (NT) +1/-0 is this how we raise children? 2/28/2023 5:09:58 PM

they were putting in a second iv line (NT) +0/-0 bro 2/28/2023 5:07:21 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0 I see 2/28/2023 4:47:43 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +2/-0 The phrase was made up by 2/28/2023 6:11:16 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0 yeah but 2/28/2023 6:23:23 PM

How long have you been in (NT) +1/-0 middle management? 2/28/2023 7:28:41 PM

How long have you been in +0/-0 Line pilot 2/28/2023 9:36:32 PM

How long have you been in +1/-0 Don't care.... 3/1/2023 9:54:15 AM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0 THis just happened at phi health �. 2/28/2023 10:22:22 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0 what just happened at PHI 3/1/2023 7:27:55 AM

One to say NO.... Pilot: NO, I don't think you medical types +2/-0 can handle this patient, so NO 3/1/2023 9:09:11 AM

One to say NO.... Pilot: NO, I don't think you medical types +0/-1 yeah bro 3/1/2023 9:11:49 AM

They do it for weather! One didn't like flying when it was blowing 15kts (NT) +0/-0 or more, made her a bit airsick! 3/1/2023 9:45:34 AM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +3/-0 Oh well.... 3/1/2023 9:17:40 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0 It's not worth the arguement he says 3/1/2023 9:34:33 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +1/-0 Sounds good. 3/1/2023 11:13:28 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-1 sure 3/1/2023 11:25:02 PM

This thread demonstrates just how dumb "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" (NT) +0/-0 really is. PIC doesn't final nothing! 3/2/2023 10:22:50 AM

This thread demonstrates just how dumb "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" +0/-1 it's really not that 3/2/2023 10:39:08 AM

Yeah, I get it, he's not the final authority (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 3/2/2023 12:37:52 PM

Yeah, I get it, he's not the final authority +0/-1 sure he is 3/2/2023 12:55:50 PM

Yeah, so he flys it because he determined it was completely safe, and prove (NT) +2/-0 giving med crews opcon is stupid! 3/2/2023 8:50:00 PM

This thread demonstrates just how dumb "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" +1/-0 you are correct bro... 3/2/2023 12:40:20 PM

This thread demonstrates just how dumb "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" +0/-1 it's hilarious 3/2/2023 12:57:57 PM

It's not "confusing", it's simply a contradiction (NT) +1/-0 a logical paradox. An inanity! 3/3/2023 8:34:46 AM

We're back to PIC really isn't the final authority (NT) +0/-0 at all! 3/2/2023 8:51:43 PM

We're back to PIC really isn't the final authority +0/-1 Not we 3/4/2023 7:41:14 AM

WE! If you're medic can say NO, you are not the final authority on this (NT) +1/-0 flight, even if you say GO! 3/4/2023 7:42:42 AM

WE! If you're medic can say NO, you are not the final authority on this +0/-1 final authority does not mean 3/4/2023 2:41:51 PM

And the PICs GO is meaningless without both medical crewmembers, making the +1/-0 PIC not the final authority.... 3/4/2023 7:33:40 AM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +1/-0 After reading this thread 3/2/2023 7:04:16 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-1 say wut 3/2/2023 7:21:12 PM

Whatever...it's not working very well. (NT) +1/-0 Anonymous 3/2/2023 10:10:21 PM

Whatever...it's not working very well. +1/-1 the intent is not to necessarily 3/3/2023 11:47:08 AM

"is there gong to be fog tonight, hopefully, it's looking foggy (NT) +1/-0 I've got to pick up my kids in the AM" 3/3/2023 11:57:45 AM

"is there gong to be fog tonight, hopefully, it's looking foggy +1/-0 it can be abused by med crew 3/3/2023 12:03:27 PM

when they aren't qualified to make a weather decision, they shouldn't be (NT) +1/-0 given final authority to decide it! 3/3/2023 12:26:00 PM

when they aren't qualified to make a weather decision, they shouldn't be +0/-0 technically,they aren't making the call 3/3/2023 12:30:54 PM

when they aren't qualified to make a weather decision, they shouldn't be +0/-1 as I said 3/3/2023 12:35:43 PM

I SAID NO, and that's my final answer! +0/-1 You can't make me! 3/3/2023 1:50:36 PM

I SAID NO, and that's my final answer! +1/-0 what if you 3/3/2023 2:08:56 PM

I SAID NO, and that's my final answer! +0/-1 the med crew only has authority 3/3/2023 2:16:25 PM

yeah, sure, keep believing that! If what you say is true, then it's not (NT) +1/-0 3-to-go! 3/3/2023 2:23:15 PM

yeah, sure, keep believing that! If what you say is true, then it's not +0/-1 it's true bro 3/3/2023 3:01:19 PM

The mechanic on the oil platform is not a crewmember and the flight isn't +1/-0 a holding out to the public either! 3/3/2023 3:20:42 PM

Look at it this way... 2 mechanics on an oil platform +0/-0 need to get to another platform, and 3/3/2023 3:25:48 PM

Look at it this way... 2 mechanics on an oil platform +0/-1 uh no 3/3/2023 3:33:35 PM

No I can't, it was a 3-to-GO rule! You gave the one the authority to say NO (NT) +1/-0 .... remember? 3/3/2023 3:45:12 PM

No I can't, it was a 3-to-GO rule! You gave the one the authority to say NO +0/-1 since the flight can happen 3/3/2023 3:55:37 PM

It tells me that the "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" rule means the PIC is not the (NT) +1/-0 final authority, & the rule is absurd! 3/3/2023 5:18:08 PM

It tells me that the "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" rule means the PIC is not the +0/-1 It�s not 3/3/2023 5:29:43 PM

I'm all for that! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 3/3/2023 2:21:30 PM

I'm all for that! +1/-0 Ok 3/3/2023 4:25:31 PM

Here's what I'd like to do sometime.... +1/-0 We're going to have to intubate here 3/3/2023 4:32:26 PM

Here's what I'd like to do sometime.... +1/-0 so do it 3/3/2023 9:47:09 PM

Here's what I'd like to do sometime.... +0/-1 you should do that 3/4/2023 2:17:11 AM

Can't, because I'm not the final authority! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 3/4/2023 6:46:49 PM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-1 it's a great system.... 3/4/2023 10:53:40 AM

meanwhile...the comp comes 30 miles in CAVU weather to fly not just 1 but 2 +1/-0 flights & earn a preferred status 3/4/2023 11:13:24 AM

not my problem the crew keeps cancelling... (NT) +0/-0 the paychecks keep cashing 3/4/2023 12:09:28 PM

until they don't when the base closes for no volume (NT) +1/-0 sort srt of is your problem. 3/4/2023 5:56:45 PM

So far, so good. Lots of jobs out there. (NT) +0/-1 Earn money sleeping. 3/4/2023 7:01:48 PM

so I should plan on moving because some non-PIC is causing missed FLTs that (NT) +0/-0 PIC said could have been completed?? 3/5/2023 1:59:30 PM

so I should plan on moving because some non-PIC is causing missed FLTs that (NT) +0/-0 Yep 3/5/2023 2:40:41 PM

now we're back to the start. PIC is not the final authority (NT) +0/-0 to say GO 3/5/2023 7:47:24 PM

now we're back to the start. PIC is not the final authority +0/-0 yes that's true 3/5/2023 9:30:50 PM

That means he doesn't have authority to initiate a flight since he needs +0/-0 the other two to initiate it also 3/5/2023 10:03:47 PM

That means he doesn't have authority to initiate a flight since he needs +0/-0 no 3/5/2023 10:14:34 PM

Not exactly what happens! They find a standby or extend someone to get it +0/-0 done! FA's don't cancel fligths 3/5/2023 10:38:21 PM

That means he doesn't have authority to initiate a flight since he needs +0/-0 the pilot doesn't need med crew 3/5/2023 10:30:55 PM

"I'm not comfortable flying because it's windy" (NT) +0/-0 is an operational decision! 3/5/2023 10:41:22 PM

"I'm not comfortable flying because it's windy" +0/-0 no it�s 3/5/2023 10:42:55 PM

Except they aren't passengers! They are crewmembers! Getting paid to work (NT) +0/-0 on a helicoper air ambulance! 3/5/2023 10:44:10 PM

Except they aren't passengers! They are crewmembers! Getting paid to work +0/-0 Single pilot 3/5/2023 11:01:02 PM

didn't call the flight crewmembers, but crewmembers! +0/-0 and the do get recurring training... 3/6/2023 12:10:37 AM

didn't call the flight crewmembers, but crewmembers! +0/-0 All documented 3/6/2023 2:40:37 AM

didn't call the flight crewmembers, but crewmembers! +0/-0 Not one of those dumb things 3/6/2023 3:02:17 AM

Acting as a trained required crewmember for HNVGO ops is nothing +0/-0 to do with operating an aircraft? 3/6/2023 9:33:16 AM

Acting as a trained required crewmember for HNVGO ops is nothing +0/-0 putting some goggles on your head 3/6/2023 9:55:50 AM

Acting as a trained required crewmember for HNVGO ops is nothing +0/-0 the FAA does not recognize them 3/6/2023 10:01:58 AM

Yeah, but they do! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 3/6/2023 10:33:48 PM

Yeah, but they do! +0/-0 saying they do 3/7/2023 11:20:11 AM

does your company's GOM describe the duties of medical +0/-0 folks on the aircraft?? if yes, then 3/7/2023 4:08:17 PM

does your company's med crews do nothing +0/-0 but play on their phones from 3/8/2023 3:44:46 AM

If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +2/-0 Let's put this in perspective... 3/6/2023 5:43:51 PM

Your perspective is a bit out of focus, you might need to check your +1/-0 perscription! Here's the scoop 3/6/2023 10:42:01 PM

Your perspective is a bit out of focus, you might need to check your +0/-0 the rich guy 3/7/2023 12:25:47 AM

dies the customer paying for it know there are other (NT) +0/-0 customers riding along on his dime then? 3/7/2023 12:50:00 AM

The Rich Guy Still Wants to Go, So he Calls your (NT) +0/-0 competition, and they earn his business 3/6/2023 11:17:32 PM

The Rich Guy Still Wants to Go, So he Calls your +0/-1 boring 3/10/2023 10:53:18 PM