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| Author: crewmembers, who may be required Date: 1/29/2023 8:49:53 PM +0/-0 Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or In New Window | ||
by supplement to act for the safety of the aircraft, is to put them on a certificate holder's drug and alcohol program! Otherwise, they come to work, intoxicated, hide in the bedroom, and sleep it off, as has been seen many times over and over. But, because they are not employees of the certificate holder in many cases, they are putting the certificate holder at huge risk because they are insulated. They are crewmembers, on a Part 135 aircraft, obligated under 91.17, and the certificate holder (and FAA) should consider them in the same vein as a flight attendant, since they perform just about all the same duties as a flight attendant in the back of the aircraft isolated from the pilot station by curtains and physical barriers.
That was the point of this whole excercise above. They are crewmembers working for the certificate holder who should have them on the certificate holders random drug testing program, whether a direct employee or not! |
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 Why are there no medical standards for (NT)
+4/-1 medical crew members? 1/27/2023 7:07:57 AM
 Why are there no medical standards for
+1/-4 why 1/27/2023 7:16:59 AM
Why are there no medical standards for
+2/-0 Yah.... 1/27/2023 7:17:21 AM
Why are there no medical standards for
+0/-0 Dumb guy 1/27/2023 7:44:02 AM
Why are there no medical standards for (NT)
+0/-0 Yes 1/27/2023 7:51:35 AM
Why are there no medical standards for
+1/-0 Here 1/27/2023 8:03:00 AM
Why are there no medical standards for
+4/-2 why should there be 1/27/2023 8:36:24 AM
yes it would. if they have a paying passenger/patient
+3/-1 they can't tend to "it" anymore.... 1/27/2023 9:44:06 AM
yes it would. if they have a paying passenger/patient (NT)
+0/-0 passenger taking care of passenger 1/27/2023 11:44:26 AM
yes it would. if they have a paying passenger/patient
+0/-1 they can't tend to "it" anymore.... 1/27/2023 3:22:10 PM
Why are there no medical standards for
+1/-0 Not so fast 1/28/2023 11:25:46 AM
Why are there no medical standards for
+0/-0 what counts is what 1/28/2023 6:39:05 PM
Oh, so a safety pilot along to let you fly under the hood (NT)
+0/-0 doesn't need to be sober? 1/29/2023 11:50:53 AM
Try to focus... (NT)
+0/-0 what's your point? 1/29/2023 4:08:46 PM
but if one were drunk as a skunk and the other high (NT)
+0/-0 on speedos, with a patient aboard.... 1/30/2023 7:01:45 AM
Why are there no medical standards for
+1/-0 because they are not 1/27/2023 6:17:33 PM
correct except
+0/-2 Anonymous 1/27/2023 6:27:32 PM
correct except
+0/-0 Company 1/27/2023 7:09:55 PM
correct except
+0/-0 and so is the person 1/27/2023 7:21:45 PM
correct except
+0/-0 :-) 1/28/2023 2:07:54 AM
correct except
+0/-0 flight attendants are crew members 1/28/2023 7:17:09 AM
correct except
+1/-0 Ok 1/28/2023 8:35:32 AM
correct except
+0/-0 flight attendants 1/28/2023 4:21:50 PM
correct except
+0/-0 why 1/28/2023 6:16:49 PM
"...not safety sensitive"... yet, they are required to safely land (NT)
+0/-0 a helicopter in an HNVGO...?? Hmmm 1/28/2023 9:54:08 PM
"...not safety sensitive"... yet, they are required to safely land
+0/-1 What? 1/29/2023 6:27:45 AM
Not in an aircraft who's RFM requires an additional person, I hope!
+1/-0 Anonymous 1/29/2023 10:58:16 AM
once again REFER TO THE FARS....
+0/-0 your opinion on the matter 1/29/2023 10:48:16 AM
Actually, you are a crewmember by definition!
+0/-0 Not a passenger! 1/29/2023 11:07:33 AM
Why are there no medical standards for
+0/-1 Think 1/28/2023 5:07:01 PM
Medical flight crew members can cancel
+0/-0 flights and tell pilots what to do. 1/29/2023 11:34:59 AM
Bingo! Had one Program Manager tell me I PIC, but he was the mission
+0/-0 commander, & I need to do it his way.. 1/29/2023 12:03:31 PM
Bingo! Had one Program Manager tell me I PIC, but he was the mission
+0/-0 Ok 1/29/2023 1:22:29 PM
Bingo! Had one Program Manager tell me I PIC, but he was the mission
+0/-0 FAR part 135 1/29/2023 1:29:53 PM
where in FAR 135 does it say a flight attendant is crew too? But, they are
+0/-0 just like medical crewmembers are! 1/29/2023 1:48:15 PM
BTW, FAR 1.1 is also where is say you are a flight crewmember too! (NT)
+0/-0 since it doesn't in 135! 1/29/2023 1:54:13 PM
BTW, FAR 1.1 is also where is say you are a flight crewmember too!
+0/-0 Except it does 1/29/2023 3:33:14 PM
Nah, that doesn't DEFINE a flight crewmember
+0/-0 FAR 1.1 does. 1/29/2023 4:03:54 PM
Nah, that doesn't DEFINE a flight crewmember
+0/-0 135.241 1/29/2023 4:13:07 PM
Nah, that doesn't DEFINE a flight crewmember
+0/-0 Why 1/29/2023 4:39:41 PM
They are crewmembers, not passengers. They have an assigned duty
+0/-0 on the aircraft. 1/29/2023 5:02:33 PM
where in FAR 135 does it say a flight attendant is crew too? But, they are
+0/-0 FAR Part 120 1/29/2023 3:09:54 PM
where in FAR 135 does it say a flight attendant is crew too? But, they are
+0/-0 135.273 1/29/2023 4:16:40 PM
FAA's been calling them crewmembers for over 3 decades!
+0/-0 FAA Chief Council Letter: 1/29/2023 2:17:40 PM
FAA's been calling them crewmembers for over 3 decades!
+0/-0 Ok 1/29/2023 4:08:42 PM
Modern Times.....
+0/-0 I don't write them, I just report them 1/31/2023 9:02:02 AM
Where in 135.601 does it say "passenger", if you point is that (NT)
+0/-0 it doesn't say "crewmember"? 1/31/2023 9:04:35 AM
so why do they have to get crewmembers training each year? (NT)
+0/-0 so i can skip the full passenger brief? 1/29/2023 1:35:55 PM
so why do they have to get crewmembers training each year?
+0/-0 FAR part 120 1/29/2023 3:01:30 PM
Negative, they are ALL crewmembers.
+0/-0 Anonymous 1/29/2023 5:05:09 PM
OPSPEC A002 Definitions and Abbreviations
+0/-0 Anonymous 1/29/2023 5:23:46 PM
OPSPEC A002 Definitions and Abbreviations
+0/-0 Great 1/29/2023 6:03:56 PM
OPSPEC A002 Definitions and Abbreviations
+0/-0 Dope 1/29/2023 7:20:53 PM
OPSPEC A002 Definitions and Abbreviations
+0/-0 Dope 1/29/2023 8:04:31 PM
yet, they are trained to perform many flight Attendant duties and they are
+0/-0 required crewmembers for HNVGO* 1/29/2023 8:06:31 PM
yet, they are trained to perform many flight Attendant duties and they are
+0/-0 Dope 1/29/2023 8:19:12 PM
yet, they are trained to perform many flight Attendant duties and they are
+0/-0 Dope 1/29/2023 8:21:37 PM
So back to 91.17. The ONLY way a certificate holder can be assured its
+0/-0 crewmembers, who may be required 1/29/2023 8:49:53 PM
yet, they are trained to perform many flight Attendant duties and they are
+0/-0 the are only required for NVGOs 1/29/2023 8:23:19 PM
yet, they are trained to perform many flight Attendant duties and they are
+0/-0 Dope 1/29/2023 8:30:26 PM
yet, they are trained to perform many flight Attendant duties and they are
+0/-0 Dope 1/29/2023 8:47:46 PM
STC for NVG mod in your RFM is where (NT)
+1/-0 the requirement comes from 1/30/2023 5:48:27 PM
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