NWA Flight 188: The Rest Of The Story

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Author: (Which isn't about REST/Fatigue at all) Date: 7/5/2022 8:36:59 AM +0/-0 Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or In New Window

"Impossible" he says. "Have you ever flown in Class A airspace" he asks?

Yes, and so has this guy:

https://www.salon.com/2009/12/11/askthepilot344/

Again, looking for PART 135 accidents attributed to DUTY/REST issues. Not Part 121, or incidents having nothing to do with DUTY/REST issues.

Thank you

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Q: How many accidents can you think of that are attributed to Part 135 (NT) +1/-1 Duty/Rest violations or issues? 6/28/2022 2:33:44 PM

Q: How many accidents can you think of that are attributed to Part 135 +0/-0 You Might Be Too Tired For Your 6/28/2022 3:21:17 PM

I'll count your response as a NONE that you know of (NT) +1/-1 Anonymous 6/28/2022 3:27:03 PM

Q: How many accidents can you think of that are attributed to Part 135 +0/-0 NWA Flight 188 6/30/2022 2:23:29 PM

Again, not Part 135, and not Duty/Rest issue. They were distracted (NT) +0/-0 by PDAs and schedule/bid planning 6/30/2022 2:39:58 PM

Duty/Rest violations? (NT) +1/-1 none 6/28/2022 3:46:59 PM

Accidents are due to pilot fatigue (NT) +1/-0 Duty/Rest attempts to mitigate fatigue 6/28/2022 3:54:22 PM

OK, so cite some accidents/incidents related to this causal (NT) +0/-0 factor. lots of examples, right? 6/28/2022 10:42:37 PM

Duty/Rest accidents have been studied +5/-0 And it is a factor 6/28/2022 3:59:49 PM

IOWs, nothing conclusive here! Looking for actual accidents, not +0/-1 "data suggests" 6/28/2022 10:52:33 PM

Why aren't you including 121? (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 6/28/2022 5:58:21 PM

Because 135 flying and 121 flying are different, obviously! +0/-0 ~We work in 135, not 121 6/28/2022 10:59:18 PM

Because 135 flying and 121 flying are different, obviously! +0/-0 #$%%^ 6/29/2022 7:11:51 PM

Again, not a Part 135 flight! And, crew was within the Part 121 duty +0/-0 requirements. Seems FO abused... 6/29/2022 11:39:37 PM

Q: How many accidents can you think of that are attributed to Part 135 +0/-1 666 6/28/2022 8:38:05 PM

Q: How many accidents can you think of that are attributed to Part 135 +0/-0 I know 6/29/2022 12:12:40 AM

Name some of them please (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 6/29/2022 9:05:23 AM

Name some of them please +1/-0 Colgan air 6/29/2022 9:25:32 PM

First, that's 121, not 135. Second, what makes this +0/-0 duty/rest issue? 6/29/2022 11:25:50 PM

Although this one is a Part 121, interesting fatigue investigation +0/-1 Just me again 6/30/2022 10:10:53 AM

But, the FAA admitted there weren't any rule violation issues (NT) +0/-0 here. Not FAR's or GOM factors... 6/30/2022 2:33:46 PM

Q: How many accidents can you think of that are attributed to Part 135 +0/-0 NWA Flight 188 6/30/2022 4:50:11 PM

Q: How many accidents can you think of that are attributed to Part 135 +1/-0 The reason the limits 6/30/2022 10:33:11 PM

Can you cite any accidents occurring 12 and beyond? (NT) +0/-0 Does the FAA/NTSB even know? 6/30/2022 11:11:39 PM

Can you cite any accidents occurring 12 and beyond? +0/-0 More 7/2/2022 8:54:22 AM

One will do ! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 7/2/2022 12:31:53 PM

One will do ! +2/-0 The FAA Is Very Clear On Their 7/2/2022 8:47:44 PM

Clear policy on vagueness! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 7/3/2022 8:58:52 AM

Was looking for accident citations, not generalities (NT) +0/-0 Do you have any? 7/3/2022 7:50:59 PM

Was looking for accident citations, not generalities (NT) +0/-0 NWA Flight 188 For Starters 7/3/2022 10:49:25 PM

As noted above, that is Part 121, not 135, and was two pilots (NT) +0/-0 playing on their phones/PDAs 7/3/2022 11:52:46 PM

As noted above, that is Part 121, not 135, and was two pilots +0/-0 That�s What They Claimed But 7/4/2022 9:22:57 AM

your opinion is not evidence..... (NT) +0/-0 just sayin' 7/4/2022 1:22:47 PM

"... it would be impossible..." +0/-0 Anonymous 7/4/2022 7:10:38 PM

"... it would be impossible..." +0/-0 Have You Ever Flown In Class �A� 7/4/2022 8:00:29 PM

In a Part 135 helicopter?? No, have you? (NT) +0/-0 Please reread OP request again!~ 7/4/2022 9:00:49 PM

In a Part 135 helicopter?? No, have you? +0/-0 No, Not In A Part 135 Helicopter 7/4/2022 11:37:32 PM

The OP (me) posted on a helicopter site asking for Part 135 accidents +0/-0 that were duty/rest related. do... 7/5/2022 12:01:32 AM

".. just as in this example." Can you somehow explain how +0/-0 this is related to Duty/Rest Part 135 7/5/2022 12:03:54 AM

NWA Flight 188: The Rest Of The Story +0/-0 (Which isn't about REST/Fatigue at all) 7/5/2022 8:36:59 AM

NWA Flight 188: The Rest Of The Story +0/-0 What You Have Found On This 7/5/2022 9:23:48 AM

There was nothing "found" on this thread even remotely related +0/-0 to DUTY/REST Part 135 accidents or 7/5/2022 12:36:47 PM

There was nothing "found" on this thread even remotely related +0/-0 Maybe You Could Be Helpful And 7/5/2022 12:39:47 PM

Actually, I'm seeking supporting references/citations that legitimize someo +0/-0 else's opinions & recommendations 7/5/2022 12:49:42 PM