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Author: Anonymous Date: 6/15/2022 8:47:58 AM +0/-0 Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or In New Window

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/disgruntled-pilots-blast-5-year-contract-with-atlas-air

Disgruntled pilots blast 5-year contract with Atlas Air

Wednesday, September 15, 2021

Limited by law from striking, the pilots worked to the minimum required by the contract to pressure the company to make concessions. Federal courts in 2019 ordered the union to stop work slowdowns and related tactics, such as taking excessive sick days on short notice or refusing to volunteer for overtime shifts. The courts also required the sides to follow an arbitrated contract process, much to the chagrin of pilots.

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Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime +1/-13 (July 2019) 6/14/2022 10:11:36 AM

Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime +1/-1 I don’t think it’s illegal to refuse 6/14/2022 10:27:45 AM

Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime +2/-1 Pilots are in the drivers seat. 6/14/2022 10:31:09 AM

Atlas will ask the court to sanction the union! (NT) +0/-1 Anonymous 6/14/2022 10:04:12 PM

Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime +0/-0 It's totally academic 6/14/2022 10:44:08 AM

Sanctions (Fines) are hardly academic! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 6/14/2022 10:05:11 PM

Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime +0/-0 Yeah, 6/16/2022 12:55:52 PM

Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime +0/-0 Depends 6/14/2022 4:04:57 PM

Ruling went no where as the federal appeals court ruled they lacked +0/-0 Jurisdiction. Voluntary is pretty simple 6/15/2022 11:01:21 AM

Appeals Court AFFIRMED the decision, and added a few more of +0/-0 points of their own. 6/15/2022 6:09:54 PM

Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime +0/-0 Depends 6/16/2022 12:55:02 PM

False. Courts don’t have authority over “voluntary” workover rules +2/-0 Not the same thing. Wrong again! 6/14/2022 10:32:26 AM

That *WAS* the Appeals Court Order! (NT) +0/-1 Reading it would have helped you there! 6/14/2022 10:35:36 AM

Here's another article about it: +0/-3 Federal Appeals Court Ruling 6/14/2022 11:08:42 AM

The fact you are using the term “illegal” proves your lack of (NT) +3/-0 Legal comprehension. Not applicable 6/14/2022 11:20:38 AM

The article is outdated and overturned. This was for an unauthorized and (NT) +0/-0 Confirmed “work action.” Fake news 6/14/2022 11:21:41 AM

Here's another article about it: +0/-0 Refusing 6/14/2022 4:08:59 PM

It explains it in the court rulings.... +1/-1 Historically, company plans for it. 6/14/2022 6:18:57 PM

False.RLA and NMB specifically describe the steps in the process including +0/-0 Direct negotiations until a stalemate 6/15/2022 10:54:03 AM

A few things in response: +0/-0 Anonymous 6/15/2022 6:57:36 PM

Fake News. “Voluntary” for workover is NOT an expectation by the standard (NT) +0/-0 Set by the court. Try again 6/15/2022 10:55:08 AM

Federal court lacks jurisdiction and cannot FORCE “voluntary” workover (NT) +1/-0 Your “citation” does NOT apply 6/14/2022 10:33:54 AM

Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime +5/-0 Overtime Is Not The Same As An 6/14/2022 11:29:58 AM

Have you voiced your concerns to the Union? If not, you are complicit (NT) +0/-0 As u said. A union is its “members” 6/14/2022 11:53:56 AM

An anonymous doesn’t count…. (NT) +0/-0 We will all wait for your contributions 6/14/2022 11:54:36 AM

Work over, shift coverage and overtime +2/-0 Are voluntary 6/14/2022 12:16:23 PM

A judge can fine your union, however, which is fining you (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 6/14/2022 2:23:07 PM

Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime +1/-0 To be illegal 6/14/2022 1:02:21 PM

There is, the RLA, which prohibits slowdowns and economic (NT) +0/-0 actions during (Section 6) negotiations 6/14/2022 1:23:20 PM

Individuals have rights according to the courts and “voluntary” is made (NT) +0/-0 Very clear in the rulings 6/14/2022 1:48:23 PM

"...very clear in the rulings." Where, show us! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 6/14/2022 2:21:49 PM

Still waiting for your source for the union pushing for work actions… (NT) +0/-0 Still waiting 6/14/2022 2:28:52 PM

You already provided it! Now it's the Union's DUTY to (NT) +0/-0 condemn it! 6/14/2022 2:50:37 PM

FALSE! Here you go though. We the Union condemn ur actions on the anonymous +0/-0 Forum the law and bylaws 6/14/2022 2:53:41 PM

You just provided it again... You are a union member advocating for (NT) +0/-0 a work slowdown/no workover campaign 6/14/2022 3:01:53 PM

"... is a violation of the law..."? (NT) +0/-0 How is it a violation of the law? 6/14/2022 4:06:54 PM

"... is a violation of the law..."? +0/-0 It isn’t 6/14/2022 4:13:37 PM

You're right! So why did you say bringing union business to a public forum +0/-0 is against the law?? 6/14/2022 5:22:02 PM

Another tin foil hat theory by (NT) +0/-0 Jimmie the Mayors 6/15/2022 10:55:47 AM

There is, the RLA, which prohibits slowdowns and economic +0/-0 Not volunteering 6/14/2022 6:29:12 PM

Voluntary overtime (NT) +0/-1 Is voluntary 6/14/2022 6:53:33 PM

Until a Court orders the Union otherwise (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 6/14/2022 8:10:32 PM

Until a Court orders the Union otherwise +0/-0 oldNtired 6/14/2022 8:23:46 PM

New Woke World? RLA was enacted in 1926 & amended in 1934 & 1936 (NT) +0/-0 It's been around for quite some time! 6/14/2022 9:27:29 PM

Until a Court orders the Union otherwise +1/-1 A court can order a union 6/15/2022 12:11:16 AM

... and causes your union to be fined/sanctioned +0/-0 Anonymous 6/15/2022 8:47:58 AM

Again your citation is for sanctioned slow downs BY the Union (NT) +0/-0 Don’t see that going on here 6/15/2022 11:04:33 AM

Sure you do... uniin pilot's and agents are here pushing for it +1/-0 you included. Whisper campaigns 6/15/2022 5:25:59 PM

Encouraged slowdowns by workers when the Union fails to stop/quell/denounce (NT) +0/-0 it. You skipped over that part of ruling 6/15/2022 6:47:52 PM

Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime +0/-1 just sayin' 6/14/2022 8:26:11 PM

Depends on who they work for! If it is an air carrier, they cannot strike +0/-0 If they work for a public operator.... 6/14/2022 9:57:11 PM

Work over, shift coverage and overtime (NT) +0/-0 Are voluntary 6/14/2022 10:23:48 PM

Wasn't for Atlas Pilots recently +0/-0 Anonymous 6/14/2022 10:58:10 PM

Here is the Court's ruling. Long, but clearly explained. +0/-0 Relevant excerpt's cited: 6/15/2022 9:09:06 AM

Shift coverage work over and over time are voluntary (NT) +0/-0 Overtime is voluntary 6/15/2022 9:14:23 AM

Voluntarily, and subject to sanctions by a court for changing (NT) +0/-0 Status Quo for not volunteering !! 6/15/2022 9:30:59 AM

Overtime is voluntary (NT) +0/-0 Not t mandatory 6/15/2022 10:33:00 AM

Until a Court determines folks, like you here, are encouraging ILLEGAL +0/-0 bad faith bargaining tactics! 6/15/2022 6:46:02 PM

These were supported actions by the union with evidence of their (NT) +0/-0 “Campaign.” Not the same or even close 6/15/2022 10:59:46 AM

As always you only present part of an issue and are selective in the messag (NT) +0/-0 Still no integrity or transparency JM 6/15/2022 11:03:26 AM

That's funny, since theink to the WHOLE reference was provuded +0/-0 All you need to do is read them. 6/15/2022 7:10:06 PM

Doesn’t seem the Union is scared or playing into your propaganda… (NT) +2/-1 Proud Union !!! 6/15/2022 11:16:31 AM

Status quo +0/-0 Status quo 6/15/2022 11:22:07 AM

See, once again you admitted it is union instigated and/or (NT) +0/-0 endorsed. 6/15/2022 5:51:37 PM

See, once again you admitted it is union instigated and/or +0/-0 the union can endorse 6/15/2022 6:16:20 PM

Guess we will wait too see if AMC sues the Union and it’s members….doubt it (NT) +1/-1 Union Strong! 6/15/2022 1:39:55 PM

Their first course of action is to get an NMB mediator, who will +0/-0 They have begun that already. 6/15/2022 6:59:17 PM

Stating fact is not a hole +0/-0 Fact 6/15/2022 8:29:45 PM

Illegal for courts to do so. PIC final authority +0/-0 Sicko 6/17/2022 7:10:37 AM

Not forcing you to do anything, just sanctioning your union (NT) +0/-0 for their ILLEGAL wildcat actions 6/17/2022 8:04:04 AM

Overtime is voluntary (NT) +0/-0 Work over is voluntary 6/17/2022 11:48:03 AM