Feds do what they want and leave you

New Message Alert

Author: to pick up the pieces Date: 1/13/2021 9:32:14 PM +0/-0 Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or In New Window

Favorite line from a ramp check as I quoted him the regs. He says no thats not what it says, so I whip out the book and read it to him. He again denies it and takes the book from me and reads the reg. Now for the beauitiful part, he hands me back the book and says "that may be what it says but that is not what it means and you should know better". Seriously, how do you deal with someone like that?

Bottom line, sell hamburgers at a fast food joint, the managers are smarter than the feds. Its cheaper and less risky and the worse they can do is fire you.

Reply Return-To-Index Display Full Msg Thread Rules of Engagement Terms of Use

Where in any regulation or interpretation does it say this +0/-0 regarding Part 135 flight planning? 1/13/2021 8:45:12 AM

Where in any regulation or interpretation does it say this

+3/-0 Ok 1/13/2021 9:05:45 AM

"Flight Assignment" is a thing. "14-hour Duty Assignment" is not +5/-0 That's the only confusion here 1/13/2021 9:15:39 AM

"Flight Assignment" is a thing. "14-hour Duty Assignment" is not +1/-1 philofthenorth 1/13/2021 9:29:22 AM

POI s would abide by FAA interpretations: Slater (2015) (NT) +0/-0 and Converse-RedWingAeroplane (2012) 1/13/2021 9:39:45 AM

POI s would abide by FAA interpretations: Slater (2015) +0/-0 And POIs 1/13/2021 10:50:21 AM

Kidd 2017 TRUMPS your Slater 2015 still.... +0/-0 FAA Genera Counsel has already ruled 1/13/2021 10:57:41 AM

Except Kidd 2017 doesn't say anything to support tryout notion that (NT) +1/-0 Tail-end Part 91 ops are not ALLOWED 1/13/2021 11:43:51 AM

Not anything to do with the letter you reference from Union..... (NT) +1/-0 Quit whining Mayors. 1/13/2021 11:46:08 AM

Except Kidd 2017 doesn't say anything to support tryout notion that +0/-0 Allowed, 1/25/2021 1:41:03 PM

Exactly, and since ther isn't any other FAA interpretation (NT) +0/-0 dealing with tail-end Part 91 ops .... 1/13/2021 2:42:06 PM

Exactly, and since ther isn't any other FAA interpretation (NT) +0/-0 dealing with tail-end Part 91 ops .... 1/13/2021 2:42:08 PM

POI s would abide by FAA interpretations: Slater (2015) +0/-0 POI POS 1/13/2021 2:55:53 PM

"Flight Assignment" is a thing. "14-hour Duty Assignment" is not +1/-0 Yeah, sure. 1/13/2021 10:48:38 AM

�DUTY PERIOD� is defined as starting and finishing work for certificate +0/-0 holder. Nothing in 135 regs LIMITING it 1/13/2021 11:52:31 AM

So you are now speculating on arbitrary terms? IOWs, tber (NT) +0/-0 Isn't anything supporting it directly 1/13/2021 11:46:10 AM

So you are saying �Duty Period� is NOT defined in FARs or GOM? (NT) +0/-0 You can�t be that ignorant 1/13/2021 11:47:01 AM

Shiw everyone in the GARs where is defines a +0/-0 "Duty Period Assignment" 1/13/2021 11:55:22 AM

Obviously FAR! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 1/13/2021 1:43:14 PM

How do you �Shiw� anyone, anything? (NT) +0/-0 Maybe this is the problem for you 1/13/2021 12:03:26 PM

*Show, obviously. If you are so either to read thing int FAR that aren't s (NT) +0/-0 You should have figured that out easily 1/13/2021 1:33:08 PM

*eager. *into (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 1/13/2021 2:31:57 PM

FAR�s very clearly define distinct differences between flight assignment (NT) +0/-0 and DUTY PERIOD...read much? 1/13/2021 10:14:48 AM

Right! And nowhere does it limit a DUTY PERIOD to 14hrs (NT) +0/-0 It limits a FLIGHT ASSIGNMENT 1/13/2021 11:57:33 AM

Wrong. GOM and FAR along with several legal interpa for �planning� purposes +1/-0 Not to mention if 1/13/2021 12:23:48 PM

Not a single FAR or interpretation says that! None. +0/-0 Post them if otherwise! 1/13/2021 1:38:05 PM

If a pilot shows he ended his Part 135 segments within 14 hrs (NT) +0/-0 he is not in violation of 135.267 1/13/2021 1:58:14 PM

Agreed. Again, you miss the point (NT) +0/-0 Ignorant or stupid...only 1 1/13/2021 2:06:19 PM

What point? That you will be violated for NOT violating (NT) +0/-0 the FARs? Was that your point? 1/13/2021 2:34:09 PM

Wrong. GOM and FAR along with several legal interpa for �planning� purposes +0/-0 Have 1/20/2021 8:53:36 AM

If not on rest, but acting on directive of certificate holder are you still (NT) +0/-0 On duty? Simple yes or no 1/13/2021 10:18:53 AM

Yes, but not limited to 14 hours. Just doesn't count as REST +0/-0 Just can't plan to Part 135 after 14 hrs 1/13/2021 11:59:48 AM

Yes, but not limited to 14 hours. Just doesn't count as REST (NT) +0/-0 FAA says start 135, end 135 1/13/2021 12:02:45 PM

No it doesn't, what it says is start a flight assignment 135, end it 135. (NT) +0/-0 But deny tail end Part 91 reassignment 1/13/2021 1:40:38 PM

Ie, see Slater 2015 (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 1/13/2021 1:41:47 PM

Where in any regulation or interpretation does it say this +2/-0 If you 1/13/2021 10:45:29 AM

Using your advice, reading the rules DON'T demand a pilot fly back to base, (NT) +0/-0 deadhead, or can't Part 91 after 14 hrs 1/13/2021 12:05:56 PM

Using your advice, reading the rules DON'T demand a pilot fly back to base, +1/-0 You bring up 1/13/2021 3:55:39 PM

Someone is saying it VIOLATES regulations. That's cut and dry +0/-0 falsehoods. Regs don't say you must 1/13/2021 4:09:42 PM

Someone is saying it VIOLATES regulations. That's cut and dry +0/-0 I'm 1/14/2021 3:26:26 PM

Part 91 Corporate gigs often exceed 14hrs in a day (NT) +0/-0 operating that way for decades! 1/17/2021 12:19:48 AM

Where in any regulation or interpretation does it say this +0/-0 SENTENCE OF THE DAY 1/14/2021 1:47:38 AM

24 - 10 = 14 hrs for PART 135 ops, not PART 91 kos (NT) +0/-0 See Slater (2015) 1/13/2021 12:07:49 PM

Cite them! (NT) +0/-0 You never do! 1/13/2021 1:28:59 PM

24 - 10 = 14 hrs for PART 135 ops, not PART 91 kos +0/-0 True, 1/13/2021 3:57:54 PM

Why would it need to say you can mix them?? (NT) +0/-0 Why can't you is the question! 1/13/2021 9:37:55 PM

Feds do what they want and leave you +0/-0 to pick up the pieces 1/13/2021 9:32:14 PM

You call their boss and ask WTH FARs are universally applied. (NT) +0/-0 Not subject to individual fifedomes 1/13/2021 9:46:07 PM

You call their boss and ask WTH FARs are universally applied. +0/-0 OG 1/13/2021 10:47:50 PM

Slater (2015), Converse-RedWingAeroplane (2012) (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 1/14/2021 8:26:59 AM

Part 91 Flight assignment after Part 135 Flight Assignment (NT) +0/-0 First before 14 hrs, second wherever 1/14/2021 8:29:52 AM

Feds do what they want and leave you +1/-0 No one 1/14/2021 3:37:48 PM

Where in any regulation or interpretation does it say this +1/-1 Oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh....... 1/14/2021 4:09:00 PM

yeah +0/-0 Anonymous 1/17/2021 1:09:21 AM

oh and let me save u the trouble +0/-0 Anonymous 1/17/2021 1:10:46 AM

yeah +0/-0 Really? 1/21/2021 3:28:36 PM

yeah. yeah. +0/-0 Anonymous 1/26/2021 10:49:43 PM