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Voluntarily, and subject to sanctions by a court for changing (NT)
Voluntarily, and subject to sanctions by a court for changing (NT)
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Status Quo for not volunteering !!
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6/15/2022 9:30:59 AM
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Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime
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(July 2019) 6/14/2022 10:11:36 AM
Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime
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I don’t think it’s illegal to refuse 6/14/2022 10:27:45 AM
Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime
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Pilots are in the drivers seat. 6/14/2022 10:31:09 AM
Atlas will ask the court to sanction the union! (NT)
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Anonymous 6/14/2022 10:04:12 PM
Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime
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It's totally academic 6/14/2022 10:44:08 AM
Sanctions (Fines) are hardly academic! (NT)
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Anonymous 6/14/2022 10:05:11 PM
Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime
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Yeah, 6/16/2022 12:55:52 PM
Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime
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Depends 6/14/2022 4:04:57 PM
Ruling went no where as the federal appeals court ruled they lacked
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Jurisdiction. Voluntary is pretty simple 6/15/2022 11:01:21 AM
Appeals Court AFFIRMED the decision, and added a few more of
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points of their own. 6/15/2022 6:09:54 PM
Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime
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Depends 6/16/2022 12:55:02 PM
False. Courts don’t have authority over “voluntary” workover rules
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Not the same thing. Wrong again! 6/14/2022 10:32:26 AM
That *WAS* the Appeals Court Order! (NT)
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Reading it would have helped you there! 6/14/2022 10:35:36 AM
Here's another article about it:
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Federal Appeals Court Ruling 6/14/2022 11:08:42 AM
The fact you are using the term “illegal” proves your lack of (NT)
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Legal comprehension. Not applicable 6/14/2022 11:20:38 AM
The article is outdated and overturned. This was for an unauthorized and (NT)
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Confirmed “work action.” Fake news 6/14/2022 11:21:41 AM
Here's another article about it:
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Refusing 6/14/2022 4:08:59 PM
It explains it in the court rulings....
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Historically, company plans for it. 6/14/2022 6:18:57 PM
False.RLA and NMB specifically describe the steps in the process including
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Direct negotiations until a stalemate 6/15/2022 10:54:03 AM
A few things in response:
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Anonymous 6/15/2022 6:57:36 PM
Fake News. “Voluntary” for workover is NOT an expectation by the standard (NT)
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Set by the court. Try again 6/15/2022 10:55:08 AM
Federal court lacks jurisdiction and cannot FORCE “voluntary” workover (NT)
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Your “citation” does NOT apply 6/14/2022 10:33:54 AM
Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime
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Overtime Is Not The Same As An 6/14/2022 11:29:58 AM
Have you voiced your concerns to the Union? If not, you are complicit (NT)
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As u said. A union is its “members” 6/14/2022 11:53:56 AM
An anonymous doesn’t count…. (NT)
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We will all wait for your contributions 6/14/2022 11:54:36 AM
Work over, shift coverage and overtime
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Are voluntary 6/14/2022 12:16:23 PM
A judge can fine your union, however, which is fining you (NT)
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Anonymous 6/14/2022 2:23:07 PM
Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime
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To be illegal 6/14/2022 1:02:21 PM
There is, the RLA, which prohibits slowdowns and economic (NT)
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actions during (Section 6) negotiations 6/14/2022 1:23:20 PM
Individuals have rights according to the courts and “voluntary” is made (NT)
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Very clear in the rulings 6/14/2022 1:48:23 PM
"...very clear in the rulings." Where, show us! (NT)
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Anonymous 6/14/2022 2:21:49 PM
Still waiting for your source for the union pushing for work actions… (NT)
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Still waiting 6/14/2022 2:28:52 PM
You already provided it! Now it's the Union's DUTY to (NT)
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condemn it! 6/14/2022 2:50:37 PM
FALSE! Here you go though. We the Union condemn ur actions on the anonymous
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Forum the law and bylaws 6/14/2022 2:53:41 PM
You just provided it again... You are a union member advocating for (NT)
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a work slowdown/no workover campaign 6/14/2022 3:01:53 PM
"... is a violation of the law..."? (NT)
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How is it a violation of the law? 6/14/2022 4:06:54 PM
"... is a violation of the law..."?
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It isn’t 6/14/2022 4:13:37 PM
You're right! So why did you say bringing union business to a public forum
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is against the law?? 6/14/2022 5:22:02 PM
Another tin foil hat theory by (NT)
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Jimmie the Mayors 6/15/2022 10:55:47 AM
There is, the RLA, which prohibits slowdowns and economic
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Not volunteering 6/14/2022 6:29:12 PM
Voluntary overtime (NT)
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Is voluntary 6/14/2022 6:53:33 PM
Until a Court orders the Union otherwise (NT)
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Anonymous 6/14/2022 8:10:32 PM
Until a Court orders the Union otherwise
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oldNtired 6/14/2022 8:23:46 PM
New Woke World? RLA was enacted in 1926 & amended in 1934 & 1936 (NT)
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It's been around for quite some time! 6/14/2022 9:27:29 PM
Until a Court orders the Union otherwise
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A court can order a union 6/15/2022 12:11:16 AM
... and causes your union to be fined/sanctioned
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Anonymous 6/15/2022 8:47:58 AM
Again your citation is for sanctioned slow downs BY the Union (NT)
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Don’t see that going on here 6/15/2022 11:04:33 AM
Sure you do... uniin pilot's and agents are here pushing for it
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you included. Whisper campaigns 6/15/2022 5:25:59 PM
Encouraged slowdowns by workers when the Union fails to stop/quell/denounce (NT)
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it. You skipped over that part of ruling 6/15/2022 6:47:52 PM
Federal Court Orders To Stop Refusing Overtime
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just sayin' 6/14/2022 8:26:11 PM
Depends on who they work for! If it is an air carrier, they cannot strike
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If they work for a public operator.... 6/14/2022 9:57:11 PM
Work over, shift coverage and overtime (NT)
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Are voluntary 6/14/2022 10:23:48 PM
Wasn't for Atlas Pilots recently
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Anonymous 6/14/2022 10:58:10 PM
Here is the Court's ruling. Long, but clearly explained.
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Relevant excerpt's cited: 6/15/2022 9:09:06 AM
Shift coverage work over and over time are voluntary (NT)
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Overtime is voluntary 6/15/2022 9:14:23 AM
Voluntarily, and subject to sanctions by a court for changing (NT)
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Status Quo for not volunteering !! 6/15/2022 9:30:59 AM
Overtime is voluntary (NT)
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Not t mandatory 6/15/2022 10:33:00 AM
Until a Court determines folks, like you here, are encouraging ILLEGAL
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bad faith bargaining tactics! 6/15/2022 6:46:02 PM
These were supported actions by the union with evidence of their (NT)
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“Campaign.” Not the same or even close 6/15/2022 10:59:46 AM
As always you only present part of an issue and are selective in the messag (NT)
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Still no integrity or transparency JM 6/15/2022 11:03:26 AM
That's funny, since theink to the WHOLE reference was provuded
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All you need to do is read them. 6/15/2022 7:10:06 PM
Doesn’t seem the Union is scared or playing into your propaganda… (NT)
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Proud Union !!! 6/15/2022 11:16:31 AM
Status quo
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Status quo 6/15/2022 11:22:07 AM
See, once again you admitted it is union instigated and/or (NT)
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endorsed. 6/15/2022 5:51:37 PM
See, once again you admitted it is union instigated and/or
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the union can endorse 6/15/2022 6:16:20 PM
Guess we will wait too see if AMC sues the Union and it’s members….doubt it (NT)
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Union Strong! 6/15/2022 1:39:55 PM
Their first course of action is to get an NMB mediator, who will
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They have begun that already. 6/15/2022 6:59:17 PM
Stating fact is not a hole
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Fact 6/15/2022 8:29:45 PM
Illegal for courts to do so. PIC final authority
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Sicko 6/17/2022 7:10:37 AM
Not forcing you to do anything, just sanctioning your union (NT)
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for their ILLEGAL wildcat actions 6/17/2022 8:04:04 AM
Overtime is voluntary (NT)
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Work over is voluntary 6/17/2022 11:48:03 AM