Msg ID:
2801245 |
FAA investigating pilot for flying helicopter without proper license +15/-5
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Author:Hmmm, very fishy
12/15/2023 6:45:58 PM
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NBC has about as much credibility has CNN these days. |
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Msg ID:
2801248 |
FAA investigating pilot for flying helicopter without proper license +3/-2
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Author:Solo flyer
12/15/2023 8:00:21 PM
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Does law enforcement need a FAA license to operate? |
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Msg ID:
2801250 |
More research needed +11/-3
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Author:C. Darrow, Esq
12/15/2023 8:48:12 PM
Reply to: 2801243
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Unless things have changed since 2018, the FAA claims no oversight of "Public" aircraft. Flying a state owned and operated helicopter without a license might not be illegal.
AC 00-1.1B - Public Aircraft Operations—Manned and Unmanned (faa.gov) |
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Msg ID:
2801252 |
More research needed +4/-0
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Author:UUUE
12/15/2023 9:51:07 PM
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You're right the FAA has no oversight but........ They are still operated in accordance with the federal aviation regulations when in public airspace. If a public use aircraft performs a maneuver or does an air space violation in the public airspace the pilots can still be held liable and if they do hold a FAA certificate it can be revoked or they can be prevented from having a certificate in the future for a specified amount of time... It happens quite frequently with military aircraft operating in public airspace they receive a pilot deviation and are prevented from receiving a civilian pilot certificate for a specified amount of time. |
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Msg ID:
2801268 |
More research needed +2/-2
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Author:Retired militia
12/16/2023 8:42:34 AM
Reply to: 2801252
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Name one time a military pilot was discount the FAA. Military ops have complete immunity from civil regs. A military pilot may well be disciplined by the military but never the FAA. I broke many FAA refs in US airspace while serving never had a issue with the FAA. by the way all devia were done because of the specific mission never just goofing around |
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Msg ID:
2801269 |
More research needed +2/-2
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Author:UUUUE
12/16/2023 8:59:17 AM
Reply to: 2801268
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There's an old saying by military pilots that the FAA can't touch us.
Well you couldn't be more wrong I can tell you about an F-18 pilot that had his civilian certificates revoked when he screwed up in the F 18 and the FAA took away his civilian certificates for five years. He turned left when he should've turned right and caused a airliner to deviate from course. They did not use just compliance action or an EIR report to the military liaison they revoke his civilian certificates for five years.
I sound like another know it all know everything sky god warrant officer. |
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Msg ID:
2801270 |
More research needed +2/-1
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Author:say wut
12/16/2023 9:02:37 AM
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cert revoked for five years because an airliner had to change course. lol you dumb dork |
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Msg ID:
2801273 |
More research needed +4/-3
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Author:FAA-ASI
12/16/2023 9:09:14 AM
Reply to: 2801268
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As an FAA ASI-OPS (We moniter fourums all the time) I can tell you we get more Pilot deviations from military pilots than anybody else when operating in the NAS. Yes we have no control over military pilots when they're on their military base or in an MOA but when they are in the NAS they can be violated just like anybody else. The process is a little different where we go through a military liaison but if they have civilian certificates they can be revoked or we can prevent them from getting civilian certificates for a number of years after they get out of the military. Happens all the time my horse. |
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Msg ID:
2801275 |
More research needed +0/-2
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Author:lol
12/16/2023 9:49:07 AM
Reply to: 2801273
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fine and dandy but nobody got their certificate revoked for five years because they turned the wrong way bro |
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Msg ID:
2801282 |
More research needed +1/-0
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Author:uuuuue
12/16/2023 11:33:09 AM
Reply to: 2801275
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Happens all the time Pilot does not follow ATC instruction which causes a Bracher report then generates a pilot deviation then generates an EIR which becomes legal action. |
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Msg ID:
2801283 |
More research needed +0/-1
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Author:say wut
12/16/2023 11:45:16 AM
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oh no, not the dreaded bracher report! lol must have been what happened to that guy you know. |
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Msg ID:
2801255 |
FAA investigating pilot for flying helicopter without proper license +8/-4
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Author:Pilot
12/15/2023 10:08:03 PM
Reply to: 2801243
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I say BS. I doubt he would have flown it without a helicopter with duel controls. It would be like saying I could walk up to a jet and fly it without a license. Just another demoncrat making false accusations. |
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Msg ID:
2801259 |
FAA investigating pilot for flying helicopter without proper license +2/-4
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Author:UUUUE
12/15/2023 10:34:31 PM
Reply to: 2801255
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The army flys their Blackhawks with no FAA certs? No differant. |
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Msg ID:
2801266 |
FAA investigating pilot for flying helicopter without proper license +8/-0
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Author:Former FDLE pilot say the head guy
12/16/2023 6:31:02 AM
Reply to: 2801255
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is being investigated by the FAA for flying a helicopter and not being rated.
some jh rando: I doubt this happened because helicopters are too complicated
me: yup case closed never happened lol |
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Msg ID:
2801262 |
FAA investigating pilot for flying helicopter without proper license +5/-0
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Author:Public/civil flyer
12/16/2023 12:51:33 AM
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I do hope that artical is just media abstraction. AC-00-1.1B mostly addresses civil operators with government contracts which came about when certain CIVIL Blackhawk operators got fire contracts to be flown by CIVIL pilots but still transport fire fighters.
An aviation attorney with 30 years in would know that. To date there are lots of surplus military aircraft in the hands of civilian law enforcement. I once flew them. Those agencies can operate those aircraft without FAA rated pilots or anything resembling normal 135 certification. Including every federal 3 and 4 letter agencies.
Lots of LE agencies still get rated pilots and normal 133,135,137 certifications though |
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Msg ID:
2801263 |
FAA investigating pilot for flying helicopter without proper license +5/-0
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Author:probably wrong
12/16/2023 5:49:37 AM
Reply to: 2801262
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Yes, we all know about the surplus aircraft but that would involve aircraft certification, not pilot certification. I don't think there is a law enforcement or government entity out there flying without rated pilots. What the hell does civilian pilots flying a blackhawk have to do with anything? Were they rated pilots? The liability exposure would keep this from happening. Yes, the can be sued for negligence. Do you have any idea what the word abstraction means? It's always amusing when the retards misuse new words to make themselves try to sound intelligent. |
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Msg ID:
2801265 |
FAA investigating pilot for flying helicopter without proper license +3/-3
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Author:This is what happens when you
12/16/2023 6:05:43 AM
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get wannabe tin pot dictators like desantis in charge: their political appointees are just as bad as they are |
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Msg ID:
2801299 |
FAA investigating pilot for flying helicopter without proper license +0/-1
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Author:Public/civil flyer
12/16/2023 3:10:56 PM
Reply to: 2801263
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Abstraction? well, that would seem like the right word if a reporter with an agenda 'abstracts' the few items quoted from a larger statement to make a certain point. Blackhawk flying by civilian pilots in restricted helicopters yet doing what would otherwise require standard aircraft is the entirety of AC-001.1B and was part of the larger thread discussion.
I'll maintain that it is still legal to fly public use without any civilian certificate.
So let this tard get back to his crayons. |
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Msg ID:
2801301 |
FAA investigating pilot for flying helicopter without proper license +1/-1
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Author:no it's wrong word
12/16/2023 3:45:32 PM
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wut the hell is wrong with you maga morons anyway |
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Msg ID:
2801302 |
FAA investigating pilot for flying helicopter without proper license +1/-1
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Author:the maga brain
12/16/2023 3:57:00 PM
Reply to: 2801301
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it's an "abstraction"
it never happened
nbc news is not credible
well if it did happen it's not illegal because of blackhawks or something "part of the larger discussion"
say wut |
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Msg ID:
2801271 |
Without proper license- Never heard of a License, Certificate maybe. +0/-5
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Author:UUUUE
12/16/2023 9:04:21 AM
Reply to: 2801243
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Never heard of a pilots license, a private certificate maybe?
Big difference between a license and a certificate but most military sky god Warrent officers wouldn't know the difference. |
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Msg ID:
2801272 |
Without proper license- Never heard of a License, Certificate maybe. +0/-1
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Author:say wut
12/16/2023 9:06:54 AM
Reply to: 2801271
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yeah, there's a "big difference" bro |
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Msg ID:
2801274 |
FAA even calls it a license! They explain the first step +3/-0
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Author:for getting a" pilot's license" here:
12/16/2023 9:36:01 AM
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https://www.faa.gov/pilots/become
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Msg ID:
2801276 |
FAA even calls it a license! They explain the first step +1/-1
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Author:ok
12/16/2023 9:49:55 AM
Reply to: 2801274
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wuts the diff |
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Msg ID:
2801277 |
FAA even calls it a license! They explain the first step +0/-1
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Author:you can always tell the newbs
12/16/2023 9:57:42 AM
Reply to: 2801276
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they get all smug about knowing it's officially called a certificate not a license. biff the student pilot here even provided a link lol |
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Msg ID:
2801280 |
The difference is, Semantics? (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
12/16/2023 10:38:54 AM
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Msg ID:
2801281 |
The difference is, Semantics? +0/-1
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Author:yes
12/16/2023 10:47:39 AM
Reply to: 2801280
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that's the BIG difference |
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Msg ID:
2801288 |
Take 4 steps to the left, and 3 to the right; or (NT) +0/-3
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Author:just take 1 step to the right
12/16/2023 1:21:10 PM
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Msg ID:
2801289 |
Left, meant left (NT) +0/-1
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Author:Anonymous
12/16/2023 1:22:10 PM
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Msg ID:
2801291 |
1 = 1, or 4 - 3 = 1 (NT) +0/-1
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Author:it's all the same thing!
12/16/2023 1:27:24 PM
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Msg ID:
2801292 |
1 = 1, or 4 - 3 = 1 +0/-3
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Author:Retired
12/16/2023 1:38:24 PM
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Partisan Bias in Federal Public Corruption Prosecutions... MSM doesn't know that; when pigs fly, it's public use. |
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Msg ID:
2801298 |
anybody +0/-1
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Author:oldNtired
12/16/2023 3:03:02 PM
Reply to: 2801292
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Anybody can fly a helicopter you see it all the time in the movies or on television But I do think you have to the hero to qualify. |
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Msg ID:
2801308 |
Not the banana republic of FLA +0/-1
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Author:Things never change
12/16/2023 7:45:57 PM
Reply to: 2801243
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Florida has been pushing the envelope for decades. Anyone recall the hangar suicide in Dade County? How bout the Corp 407 guy who flew 3 years without a medical. How soon we forget the 139 in the Bahamas as well.
Watch the movie Operation Odessa if you want an education of what really.happened back in the day.
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Msg ID:
2801311 |
The whole world of degenerates from +5/-4
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Author:Third world countries comes to the
12/17/2023 2:35:58 AM
Reply to: 2801308
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USA to get their FAA Certificate but American Pilots have a much more difficult or in many case impossible time to get other nations pilot certificate... |
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Msg ID:
2801312 |
most folks down there are from Michigan, Canada, New Jersey, (NT) +0/-0
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Author:or New York.
12/17/2023 7:54:21 AM
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Msg ID:
2801413 |
Wait, what? 139 in the Bahamas?? +0/-0
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Author:The Questioneer
12/19/2023 12:26:23 PM
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What was wrong with that one? |
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