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Msg ID: 2814141 Poor Decision Making  +0/-4     
Author:Richard
4/28/2024 3:22:48 PM

https://youtu.be/fbC5BRbEr1U?si=P4FXwiR1dHkEFD2Q 



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Msg ID: 2814144 Poor Decision Making (NT) +0/-0     
Author:been posted many times
4/28/2024 3:42:06 PM

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Msg ID: 2814146 Poor Decision Making  +0/-0     
Author:Richard
4/28/2024 5:16:00 PM

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Maybe, but pilots are still repeating. 



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Msg ID: 2814169 Poor Decision Making  +1/-0     
Author:I remember
4/29/2024 9:04:24 AM

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Reading about it but first time I heard the audio,

sweaty palms 



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Msg ID: 2814170 Tough to listen to +3/-1     
Author:The Listener
4/29/2024 9:09:45 AM

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Man, you could hear the stress in that guy's voice. The "whoa, whoa, whoa" at 5:16 got me, that's probably where he knew he was hitting the water. I-IMC and Spatial-D, not a good thing.



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Msg ID: 2814186 Tough to listen to +13/-0     
Author:OG
4/29/2024 5:34:14 PM

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Somehow we have to convince pilots, even those flying vfr aircraft, that if there is nothing to look at outside, don't look outside. I feel positive this pilot had plenty of instruments to maintain control looking inside. Trying to combine looking inside and outside , when there is nothing to look at outside is a loser.

I have been IIMC in vfr aircraft. I am an IFR Captain but I still found IIMC a scary deal. Once I excepted the fact that I needed to operate the aircraft on instruments things settled down pretty quick. I have always told my fellow pilots that the aircraft doesn't know it's in the clouds so it's on the pilot to perform. 

One piece of advice is to work your instrument scan into every day flying. Pick an altitude and maintain the altitude with instruments. Same way, pick airspeeds and headings and maintain. A second piece of advice is, when operating in low visibility, start really considering what you will do in the case of IIMC. Have a plan and when the worst happens commit to the plan like your life depends on it.



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Msg ID: 2814272 Tough to listen to +0/-1     
Author:"IFR Captian"
5/2/2024 2:03:24 AM

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he says  Laughing



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Msg ID: 2814189 Just another typical helicopter pilot +1/-2     
Author:Amatuers
4/29/2024 6:35:48 PM

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Just your average no brain helicopter pilot making crappy VFR decisions and can't fly IFR either.



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Msg ID: 2814195 Same type who killed Kobe Bryant +8/-6     
Author:olderendirt
4/29/2024 7:18:03 PM

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'Same type of average helicopter pilot who killed Bryant but thought he was the best ever. If pilots put half as much effort into understanding their trade as Bryant did his, we'd be moron free.'

Helicopter pilot since 1968. There is no such thing as a risk free operation, period.

Kobe Bryant's death crash was an accident. They're called "accidents" because they are unplanned,  unintentional.

And it don't matter a whit if one "understands their trade" or not, even the most expert and proficient pilots have accidents. Those pilots seem to have fewer accidents than your typical helicopter pilot because they avoid, as much as possible, the situations that necessarily involve more risk exposure.

 



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Msg ID: 2814207 Same type who killed Kobe Bryant +3/-10     
Author:You are a real idiot
4/29/2024 10:22:41 PM

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Wow, didn't know you can be both that old and that stupid to think IIMC accidents today are just oops I had an accident. If you get IIMC today as a helo pilot, you're just plain stupid. You have to be a moron not to study accidents and history to avoid it. 

exposure and risk is OGE when you have to be.

IIMC is a pure lack of planning and lack thoughtfulness. 



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Msg ID: 2814212 Same type who killed Kobe Bryant +2/-2     
Author:new guy has some thoughts
4/30/2024 6:55:50 AM

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on IIMC



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Msg ID: 2814218 Same type who killed Kobe Bryant +0/-1     
Author:yes
4/30/2024 9:01:31 AM

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study the accidents and history and say wut



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Msg ID: 2814226 Poor Decision Making  +7/-1     
Author:Former FSI IP
4/30/2024 12:02:37 PM

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On a side note, when instructing for FSI a while ago, the guy training me to be a simulator instructor told me that a far amount of pilots who initially responded to IIMC would, about 10 minutes or so into the recovery, lose control of the aircraft.  Fortunately, most of them would regain control and safely shoot an instrument approach.

I didn't believe him until I started instructing in the simulator.

He was absolutely spot on!  I never keep statistics, but my gut tells me it around 10% to 15%.  And, most did successfully recover and land.  

I started asking the pilots what happened when they lost control, and most (the honest one!) said, "I got too comfortable and too lazy (read - complacent) with my scan.  

A word to the wise, the poster who basically said "practice" whenever you can is absolutely right.  IMC flying in a helicopter is a perishable skill.  Don't do it much, and it's too late to catch up when the real situation arrives!

BTW, a three axis autopilot in helicopters should now be standard equipment! 



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